December General Election

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

So you would choose Boris's BRINO over Nigel's (Farage) proper Brexit?

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But that's not the choice I'm being offered 59, all I get is the chance to vote for my choice of MP. The best chance we have of leaving the EU is returning a Tory government led by Boris, so I'll vote for Nigel Evans. If I was in a constituency with a Remoaner MP I'd vote for the Brexit Party candidate.

And who says we can't have a proper Brexit if Boris returns with a big working majority ? The Deal is on hold, nothing signed, sealed and delivered yet. Remainers have been playing silly beggars in parliament while they held the whip hand, Boris could play silly beggars as well, given the chance. Do you trust him ? ;D

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

Well, someone has to pay me my pension and sort my ingrowing toenail out Norder.

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am sure that - if it wasn't for what their Systems stole/made from you - you wouldn't be concerned with a pension and...could likely afford your own private doctor !


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Just like thinking ......Compartmentalized Democracy

According to the definition in vogue today, democracy is defined as the government of the people, by the people and for the people. Adult suffrage plays an important role in democracy. In the name of forming a democratic government, different political and communal parties throw their hats into the election ring. Every party issues its own election manifesto to influence the people in order to carry the laurels in the ensuing election battle. Besides, different parties entice the voters through election propaganda. Where educated people are in the majority and political consciousness is adequate, it is not very difficult for people to weigh the pros and cons of the manifesto of a particular party and to ascertain what is in the best interests of the people. But where there is a dearth of education and political consciousness, and where people fail to understand the reality of the manifesto and are misled by wrong propaganda, they cast their ballots in favour of parties whose ideals go contrary to the social interest. Consequently, parties that go against the interests of the people are installed in power.

Democracy cannot succeed in countries where people are illiterate, immoral, or backward.

In the present democratic system, the right to cast a vote depends on age. Suppose people get the right of suffrage at the age of 21. This assumes that all persons attaining the age of 21 have an understanding of the basic problems of the people, but in reality many people above the age of 21 remain ignorant of these problems for want of political consciousness. So the right of suffrage should not be based on age. This right should be vested in those who are educated and politically conscious. Conferring voting rights on the basis of age means that people may cast their ballots without proper understanding and knowledge, while many educated and politically conscious people are debarred from voting because of their age. This is the greatest lacuna of democracy.

The second lacuna is that in the democratic system people have to hear lengthy, insubstantial lectures, which are also often misleading. Leaders have to canvass all and sundry to get votes. They have to placate thieves, dacoits and hypocrites because the latter command great voting power. That is why democracy is the government of thieves, dacoits and hypocrites. The government cannot take action against them because a government that curbs their nefarious activities cannot last long. ( P R Sarkar )

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

I'm voting for none of the self interested, loathsome, money sucking creatures. No point in voting whatsoever, because the House of Commons have displayed a callous disregard for democracy.

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Most MPs have displayed a callous disregard for democracy and the views and wishes of the electorate BT, but not all of them. Now the public get their chance to remove from Psrliament those who treated the voters with contempt. My MP behaved decently and honourably and fought consistently to uphold the result of the referendum, and I would vote for him having total disregard for whichever party he represented. Imo this election is not about a right/left split, it's not about party politics, it's about salvaging something of our democracy from the wreckage left after the Remoaner political class, the Speaker, the Judiciary and the BBC, the national broadcaster, set about it with a wrecking ball, all of them utterly convinced that it's all about them, not us. Hopefully it will survive, but it won't be thanks to the likes of our good friend 59/60 and his ilk, and it will be a close run thing.

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

It's Jo for me of course but who will you vote for?

Boris or Nigel?

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It's an interesting experiment in how to win power in a democracy your lot are conducting 59. Judging by recent turnouts it seems there will be around 32/33 million people voting in the GE and the LibDems are telling 17.4 million of them (over 50% of them) that they are racist bigots who are not fit to have a vote or a say in the future direction of their country. They are saying to 17.4 million voters DO NOT VOTE FOR US.

It might work 59, it's a novel idea to tell over half the voters that you don't want their vote, but it does reduce the pool in which you're fishing for votes quite considerably. Best of luck with it, but I don't see us having the third female PM any time soon.


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Here in downtown Bolton North East, we have a sitting Labour MP who is an avid Remainer in a Leave constituency, a hopeless Tory candidate, and a hapless Remainer Lib Dem. I ain't voting for any of the eejits.

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Originally Posted by sinkov

Most MPs have displayed a callous disregard for democracy and the views and wishes of the electorate BT, but not all of them. Now the public get their chance to remove from Psrliament those who treated the voters with contempt. My MP behaved decently and honourably and fought consistently to uphold the result of the referendum, and I would vote for him having total disregard for whichever party he represented. Imo this election is not about a right/left split, it's not about party politics, it's about salvaging something of our democracy from the wreckage left after the Remoaner political class, the Speaker, the Judiciary and the BBC, the national broadcaster, set about it with a wrecking ball, all of them utterly convinced that it's all about them, not us. Hopefully it will survive, but it won't be thanks to the likes of our good friend 59/60 and his ilk, and it will be a close run thing.

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Couldn’t agree more Sinkov. And for those who are unsure whether to vote can I just remind them that people died at Peterloo and elsewhere to win them the vote. The process has not stopped and we must go on to ensure that electoral reform will continue including scrapping First Past the Post so that everyone’s vote will count.

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Here in downtown Bolton North East, we have a sitting Labour MP who is an avid Remainer in a Leave constituency, a hopeless Tory candidate, and a hapless Remainer Lib Dem. I ain't voting for any of the eejits.

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Wait and see who Sir Nigel puts up BT, that'll be your man, or woman.B)

It does appear that Brexit is going to be a major factor in the coming general election. On this subject the conservative party policy appears to be we leave with the deal negotiated by Boris Johnson. I am somewhat sceptical about this deal as it is very similar to the deal negotiated by Mrs. May, which lead to Boris Johnson resigning from the Mrs. May's cabinet in protest. The latest deal does not have the support of the Ulster unionist whose alliance have kept this government in office since the last general election.

The liberal policy is to revoke article 50 regardless of public opinion.

The labour party appear to wish to remain in a customs union with the EU, but have a referendum to give the people the final say over any negotiated deal.

Nigel Farage or Brexit party want to leave with no deal.

As Brexit should hopefully be concluded one way of the other by the 31st January 2020 I feel that there are far more important issues than Brexit. We the people of the UK are about to elect a government for up to five years and issues such as the NHS, Policing, homelessness, and employment prospects should all take priority over Brexit.

I was in Glasgow over the weekend. Homelessness, drug use and rough sleeping is endemic. The place is a dystopian nightmare and the Tories ain't interested one bit. The SNP will have their way soon.