McNeil get rid of him

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Not really a level playing field is it Alto?

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Of course it isn't, but it might help if Mike at least attempted to level it up just a little bit. Instead he seems intent on making it even more of an uphill slog for our manager. Never mind, we'll soon have the best Academy in the Championship.

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Originally Posted by Vintage Claret

We have played two of the better teams in the country, Leicester City and Manchester City and while losing those games there are some positive signs.
Our reserve goal keeper Peacock-Farrell was more than comfortable facing the might of the Manchester City attack.
Last night thought Charlie Taylor was our best outfield player and he is proving to be a great buy.
Josh Brownhill looks far more effective when playing in central midfield and should never have been moved out to right for the Southampton game. As I said earlier that I was unimpressed with buying Stephens as he looked no more than a squad player at Brighton. I hope I am proved to be wrong but time will tell.
Dwight McNeil is being surrounded when he gets the ball, which in theory should leave other members of our team free. What we need is an additional player with some flair who can take advantage of their surrounding Dwight.
Benson looks like he is a good prospect and should be considered for more game time.
On the negative side we have played Manchester City several times now and we are always on the losing side, the only sides to beat Manchester City are those who expose their weak defence, which means chasing the ball and pressing them so their midfield do not have the time on the ball as they did last night. With the exception of the second half of one game we have always let them come at us. As this was a one off match that we were more than likely to lose why did we not try a different approach, or are our tactics so one dimensional that we have no other options, if so this could be a very long hard season.

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As this was a one off match that we were more than likely to lose why did we not try a different approach, or are our tactics so one dimensional that we have no other options, if so this could be a very long hard season.

Yes is the answer to that quote vintage , although in Dyche defence we don’t have flexibility in players that could cope with formation changes I don’t think - debated this before re Dyche and ridgid formation and why he doesn’t match teams up for example when they play 5 across the middle.

My only question to yours initially would be who will stretch them from our team , we haven’t go any particularly quick players and you must have pace especially against the likes of City as all that happens is centre backs and full backs gain in confidence because they know we can’t threaten them in a foot race and push up higher condense the play and they like they’ve got more players than us.
We need some players with speed to add a dimension to our game

At Leicester it was exactly the same Barnes was rapid and the full backs are quick for them hence were under pressure more in the game.

I guess that’s down to Dyche and his style of play and players he buys.

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Originally Posted by army88

As this was a one off match that we were more than likely to lose why did we not try a different approach, or are our tactics so one dimensional that we have no other options, if so this could be a very long hard season.

Yes is the answer to that quote vintage , although in Dyche defence we don’t have flexibility in players that could cope with formation changes I don’t think - debated this before re Dyche and ridgid formation and why he doesn’t match teams up for example when they play 5 across the middle.

My only question to yours initially would be who will stretch them from our team , we haven’t go any particularly quick players and you must have pace especially against the likes of City as all that happens is centre backs and full backs gain in confidence because they know we can’t threaten them in a foot race and push up higher condense the play and they like they’ve got more players than us.
We need some players with speed to add a dimension to our game

At Leicester it was exactly the same Barnes was rapid and the full backs are quick for them hence were under pressure more in the game.

I guess that’s down to Dyche and his style of play and players he buys.

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Agree with you Army.
Our only front player with a semblance of pace is Vydra and he was substituted at half time. I hope this was to allow him to be fresh for the Newcastle match.
At the end of last season, we played with J-Rod and Vydra up front and our style of play reflected that and we looked far better as a footballing team. Once Wood regained fitness we reverted back to the same old tactics. So, the only conclusion to be drawn is that this is Dyche’s preferred style of football.

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Originally Posted by Vintage Claret

Agree with you Army.
Our only front player with a semblance of pace is Vydra and he was substituted at half time. I hope this was to allow him to be fresh for the Newcastle match.
At the end of last season, we played with J-Rod and Vydra up front and our style of play reflected that and we looked far better as a footballing team. Once Wood regained fitness we reverted back to the same old tactics. So, the only conclusion to be drawn is that this is Dyche’s preferred style of football.

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Wood has a good touch.... Shame it's not his first one...

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Not really a level playing field is it Alto?

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"Of course it isn't, but it might help if Mike at least attempted to level it up just a little bit. Instead he seems intent on making it even more of an uphill slog for our manager. Never mind, we'll soon have the best Academy in the Championship".

You took the words right out of my mouth Sinkov :)

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Originally Posted by Vintage Claret

We have played two of the better teams in the country, Leicester City and Manchester City and while losing those games there are some positive signs.
Our reserve goal keeper Peacock-Farrell was more than comfortable facing the might of the Manchester City attack.
Last night thought Charlie Taylor was our best outfield player and he is proving to be a great buy.
Josh Brownhill looks far more effective when playing in central midfield and should never have been moved out to right for the Southampton game. As I said earlier that I was unimpressed with buying Stephens as he looked no more than a squad player at Brighton. I hope I am proved to be wrong but time will tell.
Dwight McNeil is being surrounded when he gets the ball, which in theory should leave other members of our team free. What we need is an additional player with some flair who can take advantage of their surrounding Dwight.
Benson looks like he is a good prospect and should be considered for more game time.
On the negative side we have played Manchester City several times now and we are always on the losing side, the only sides to beat Manchester City are those who expose their weak defence, which means chasing the ball and pressing them so their midfield do not have the time on the ball as they did last night. With the exception of the second half of one game we have always let them come at us. As this was a one off match that we were more than likely to lose why did we not try a different approach, or are our tactics so one dimensional that we have no other options, if so this could be a very long hard season.

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Vintage I love SD, but he only wants to play 4-4-2, which is just so phucking predictable.

On the odd occasions I have witnessed us play 5-4-1 and we look all the better for it, because we can press in the final third.

Let's face it - we are deep in the brown stuff, make no mistake. :blue:

This is exactly the same sort of things which fans were putting on here last season and the season before.

I am so disappointed that we are not playing in The Championship and have a chance of winning something, perhaps next season with a bit of luck and our fans getting their wishes.

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Originally Posted by Supersub6

This is exactly the same sort of things which fans were putting on here last season and the season before.

I am so disappointed that we are not playing in The Championship and have a chance of winning something, perhaps next season with a bit of luck and our fans getting their wishes.

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I sense a malaise within Turf Moor Supersub6. I do not like malaise.

The only consolation I can find so far this season, is Dyche wanting to kill Raheem Sterling last night. :mad:

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Vintage I love SD, but he only wants to play 4-4-2, which is just so phucking predictable.

On the odd occasions I have witnessed us play 5-4-1 and we look all the better for it, because we can press in the final third.

Let's face it - we are deep in the brown stuff, make no mistake. :blue:

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When I started watching the Clarets in 1954, we played with a goal keeper, 2 full backs, 3 half backs, 2 wingers and 3 forwards and it was a joy to watch football, especially between 1959 and 1962.
When European competitions and foreign managers entered into British football teams became far more defensive. Personally, I liked the Joe Mercer theory of the time in that as long as we score more goals then they do we win the game.
While Sean Dyche has been a good manager for Burnley, I do feel that his style of play has reduced the entertainment value of watching the Clarets.
As you say BT he sticks rigidly to his preferred 4-4-2 format even when the midfield 4 are being overrun. Is it this rigidity that has prevented him from being considered by any of the top six clubs when they have had managerial vacancies.

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Originally Posted by Vintage Claret

When I started watching the Clarets in 1954, we played with a goal keeper, 2 full backs, 3 half backs, 2 wingers and 3 forwards and it was a joy to watch football, especially between 1959 and 1962.
When European competitions and foreign managers entered into British football teams became far more defensive. Personally, I liked the Joe Mercer theory of the time in that as long as we score more goals then they do we win the game.
While Sean Dyche has been a good manager for Burnley, I do feel that his style of play has reduced the entertainment value of watching the Clarets.
As you say BT he sticks rigidly to his preferred 4-4-2 format even when the midfield 4 are being overrun. Is it this rigidity that has prevented him from being considered by any of the top six clubs when they have had managerial vacancies.

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Vintage --I was 2 years before you and think that the game was much better to watch in those days.
There were good forwards, decent defenders who could tackle adn decent goalkeepers and yet in 1959/60 whwen we became Champions there was an average of 3.50 goals per game and each team played 42 games.
Compare 1969/70 ---462 games with 2.62 goals per game: 1979/80 ----462 games with 2.50 goals per game:
1989/90 -----380 games with 2.60 goals per game: 1999/2000 -----380 games with 2.82 goals per game:
2009/10 -----380 games with 2.81 goals per game: 2019/20 ------- 380 games with 2.72 goals per game.

All this reduction in goals scored, in spite of various changes to the offside Law and supposedly more skillful players participating in a game which, according to many, is far superior to that that we first watched.

As a footnote, I do enjoy watching us play because we play as a team and use our players to get the results.