O/T:- Tangible Brexit Dividends

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To be fair, the French have been somewhat chivvied along (pushed?) into getting jabbed by the recent health pass legislation requiring proof of 2x vaccs before you can set foot in many places. I've never seen so many police in our little town as there were on Monday, going round the restaurants to make sure no-one was being allowed in without their covid pass.

The UK has done really well with its vaccination programme, that's not a political point relating to brexit, it's factual. To have 75% of adults vaccinated is a remarkable achievement. Some ex-colleagues have been involved in the rollout and delivery, it's been really hard work. It's great that Denmark and other countries are also doing really well. It's not a contest, the higher each country's figures are, the better for all of us.

frenchmagpie, would you not agree, all political parties tell porkies.

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Originally Posted by cher1

To be fair, the French have been somewhat chivvied along (pushed?) into getting jabbed by the recent health pass legislation requiring proof of 2x vaccs before you can set foot in many places. I've never seen so many police in our little town as there were on Monday, going round the restaurants to make sure no-one was being allowed in without their covid pass.

The UK has done really well with its vaccination programme, that's not a political point relating to brexit, it's factual. To have 75% of adults vaccinated is a remarkable achievement. Some ex-colleagues have been involved in the rollout and delivery, it's been really hard work. It's great that Denmark and other countries are also doing really well. It's not a contest, the higher each country's figures are, the better for all of us.

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Great post

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Originally Posted by Magpies1959

The vaccine development and roll out.

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You mean BORIS'S gamble with our health and lives...with the not fully tested vaccine.

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Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66

You mean BORIS'S gamble with our health and lives...with the not fully tested vaccine.

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I don’t have much time for Johnson, but it seemed pretty clear to me that the proven benefits of all the approved Covid vaccines outweighed the risks.

The big disappointment for me is that we'll never get a real answer on whether Brexit was a good or bad thing. I thought it was a bad thing, but tackling Covid has made a definitive conclusion almost impossible.

I would add that the Tories repeatedly ridiculed Labour's 'Magic Money Tree', but when cash was desperately needed they didn't just find a tree, they found a bloody orchard!

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Originally Posted by Magpies1959

frenchmagpie, would you not agree, all political parties tell porkies.

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I hear this argument a lot and it is what I think is called a strawman argument. I doubt there is an adult on the planet who doesn't lie. But the point is what is the effect of the lie.
If a politician convinces you to vote for something to your detriment by lying, then that is bad, for you.
If a politician causes a positive outcome for you by lying then you won't mind.

In my view the British electorate have been convinced to vote for right-wing policies benefitting a small number of elites, by being lied to. Hence bad.

Just my view. I'd happily vote for a politician who swore they would never introduce a wealth tax then did it on the first day in power :)

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Originally Posted by cher1

To be fair, the French have been somewhat chivvied along (pushed?) into getting jabbed by the recent health pass legislation requiring proof of 2x vaccs before you can set foot in many places. I've never seen so many police in our little town as there were on Monday, going round the restaurants to make sure no-one was being allowed in without their covid pass.

The UK has done really well with its vaccination programme, that's not a political point relating to brexit, it's factual. To have 75% of adults vaccinated is a remarkable achievement. Some ex-colleagues have been involved in the rollout and delivery, it's been really hard work. It's great that Denmark and other countries are also doing really well. It's not a contest, the higher each country's figures are, the better for all of us.

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Agreed. A great bit of politics by Macron, he knows the French well.
And I agree about the UK success. It's a fantastic achievement and I'm very pleased as I still have family there.

BUT it has been used by the UK press as a Brexit success story and it just isn't. Despite what France is doing many other EU nations are now passing UK in vaccination rates. It was always just a matter of timing. The EU spent time early on ensuring fairness of distribution and application among 27 separate nations. So they were slow out the blocks. But now the effects of that policy are coming through they are perfoming as well as UK. Hurray all round, Europe as a whole has performed well. So Brexit had nothing to do with it.

Imminent trade deal with the UK means I will be able to import from the UK and save 5-10% in import duties which will save me (business wise) several thousand dollars a year. So I'm all for it! Although its a little way off completion yet. Slightly ironic that it appears someone living in Australia is the only one who can see a tangible net benefit but thanks Nigel.