I see Pope was poor again

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Sometimes sinkov (it's usually politics related) your brain goes totally left field. Tom did us proud, Pope is a cracking keeper but the unjustified dog's abuse he got for his supposed lack of kicking ability did his confidence a lot of harm.

Give your old head a wobble mon ami...

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Basically, what I've actually posted BT is that,

1) Pope is a good keeper.
2) He makes mistakes.
3) He's not as good as Tom at his best.
4) He won't be signing for a top 6 club.

1 and 2 are, I would suggest, factual, 3 is an opinion, but one shared by many Burnley fans and is in no way disrespectful to Nick Pope, on 4 only time will tell, but the rumours of a year or two ago have dissipated, and the clubs supposed to have been interested have now resolved their goalkeeper issues.

So which of the 4 would you disagree with, which are even remotely contentious ? Quite honestly mon ami, I've re-read it a couple of times and I can see nothing in there that even remotely requires a bout of head-wobbling.

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Originally Posted by sinkov

Pope is a good keeper, but he's not infallible, he's not in the same league as Tom Heaton was, and the day a top club fronts up and signs him, I'll hold my hand up and admit I was wrong. But he won't be signed by a top club, and there's a reason for that, work it out.

Sinkov,
NO goalkeeper is infallible. If that were the case no striker would ever score against them. Every conceded goals is almost certainly preventable. The quest is is the keeper quality or not given other choices around? If we do not have Pope then who going forward long term then? I've never seen a world class keeper not make a mistake.

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Of course you're right Dave, no keeper is infallible, perhaps I was being too succinct. What I meant by it is that (and all this is only my opinion) Pope makes more mistakes than Tom Heaton ever did, a lot more from what I remember of Tom, and he makes too many mistakes for a Premier League and England goalkeeper. Again this is just my opinion, but it's the fact that he makes too many mistakes that has caused the top clubs to lose interest in him.

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dont know what the fuss is about - yes, Pop made some good saves yesterday, stick a leg out, an arm, and the shots were deflected, there was no scrambling or full stretch dives etc...and if Cheesy had scored again from any other of their missed opportunities, then doubt he would have had a mention.

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Originally Posted by Deadlydave

Of course you're right Dave, no keeper is infallible, perhaps I was being too succinct. What I meant by it is that (and all this is only my opinion) Pope makes more mistakes than Tom Heaton ever did, a lot more from what I remember of Tom, and he makes too many mistakes for a Premier League and England goalkeeper. Again this is just my opinion, but it's the fact that he makes too many mistakes that has caused the top clubs to lose interest in him.

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Tom Heaton total of 116 PL appearances with 28 clean sheets and 3 errors leading to goals.
Nick Pope total of 116 PL appearances with 38 clean sheets and 4 errors leading to goals.
Allison (Liverpool) total of 110 PL appearances with 49 clean sheets and 7 errors leading to goals ---not including today!

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Originally Posted by sinkov

Tom Heaton total of 116 PL appearances with 28 clean sheets and 3 errors leading to goals.
Nick Pope total of 116 PL appearances with 38 clean sheets and 4 errors leading to goals.
Allison (Liverpool) total of 110 PL appearances with 49 clean sheets and 7 errors leading to goals ---not including today!

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No idea about 'errors leading to goals' Sub, and what about errors that don't lead to goals, do they not matter ? My opinion is based on the number of times I've seen us concede a goal that I thought the keeper should have saved. In all the time Tom was here I can only think of two, quite honestly I've lost count with Nick, it's not a large number but it's plenty more than two.

Incidentally, did you see flavour of the month Ramsdale's humungous cock-up this afternoon, after that ill-judged rush off his line I wonder if he will still be the media darling tomorrow morning ?

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Originally Posted by Supersub6

No idea about 'errors leading to goals' Sub, and what about errors that don't lead to goals, do they not matter ? My opinion is based on the number of times I've seen us concede a goal that I thought the keeper should have saved. In all the time Tom was here I can only think of two, quite honestly I've lost count with Nick, it's not a large number but it's plenty more than two.

Incidentally, did you see flavour of the month Ramsdale's humungous cock-up this afternoon, after that ill-judged rush off his line I wonder if he will still be the media darling tomorrow morning ?

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As you say, sinkov, it is all about opinions. We can all sit in the stand and say he should have saved that, however, only the man himself knows whether or not he should/could have saved it, there are too many things which could have come into play.

Yes, I did see the monumental cock-up by flavour of the month, Ramsdale, and he was very lucky that Wilson lacked composure to put the ball in the net ---that did us a favour really! He will still be the darling tomorrow because he is playing for Arsenal who are also becoming the new media darlings.

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Originally Posted by sinkov

He will still be the darling tomorrow because he is playing for Arsenal who are also becoming the new media darlings.

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Exactly what I was thinking as well Sub.O:)

I watched the new media darlings with interest in today's game, I wasn't particularly impressed, they looked very much like last year's Arsenal to me, just younger.

Stones f*cks about with a ball he received from Pope, Stones gets done and Pope got the media wrath.

Pope is best away from the media spotlight, they all hate Burnley.

In my own opinion Pope is better than any of the three Southgate prefers over Pope.

His seventy yard pass late on Saturday to Vydra was the pass of the day, did he get a mention, did he f*ck!

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Originally Posted by Supersub6

Exactly what I was thinking as well Sub.O:)

I watched the new media darlings with interest in today's game, I wasn't particularly impressed, they looked very much like last year's Arsenal to me, just younger.

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And still cheating of course.

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Originally Posted by sinkov

And still cheating of course.

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"Cheating" is a strong word but yesterday's antics were despicable.