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Originally Posted by Shadrack the Red

I fully understand where you are coming from but myself & my grandsons will continue with our season tickets , certainly not because we want to support the owners but purely to watch our team & support the lads plus we love our seats & although we lost them earlier in the season when they uprooted us from the west stand we now have got them back , we were sat in them before this shower came & hopefully we will be sat in them long after they have gone.

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I fully understand your position Shadrack and I admire you for continuing to support the club as you intend. As Animal has alluded to below, it comes down to personal choice. My feelings about even a mention of moving away from Oakwell, leave my opinions of the owners' at a low level; it really shows a total disregard for fans and a repulsive way of operating - there's been no denial of the potential intent to move from Oakwell to my knowledge.

Lg 2 with chein & co philosophy of running a football club
time out yanks

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

I've given this a hell of a lot of thought for quite a while now and I do think starving the club of revenue is the best course of action as you have alluded to Arby .

This is exactly the action Blackpool fans took to get Oysten out of their club .

It's not without pain , let's be clear .

Blackpool had to go down to league two to rid themselves of Oyston .

But today they are back in the championship and to be fair more than holding their own right now .

That is what we are going to be have to be prepared to do and that's the minimum in my opinion .

There's a tremendous risk we could end up in administration and go out of business altogether by starving the club of money .

We'd also have to be prepared for that eventuality , form a new club and make our way back up the pyramid as AFC Wimbledon did .

It's a matter of choice for every fan to choose .

Personally I'm prepared to go all the way to rid ourselves of these owners .

Many people in this town are no stranger to adversity and it takes whatever it takes .

We are probably heading in a league two direction anyway under PMG so what's to lose anyway .

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I think you're right Animal. As Yorkshire born has said, it could be a long haul. But my view is, if I'm watching a team called Barnsley FC playing at New York Stadium, or anywhere else for that matter, then it's no longer my team.

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Originally Posted by Arblasterfromthepast

I fully understand your position Shadrack and I admire you for continuing to support the club as you intend. As Animal has alluded to below, it comes down to personal choice. My feelings about even a mention of moving away from Oakwell, leave my opinions of the owners' at a low level; it really shows a total disregard for fans and a repulsive way of operating - there's been no denial of the potential intent to move from Oakwell to my knowledge.

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When I say every fan has the right to decide and see this as they see it I do draw the line when it comes to supporting the club in an " Out Of Town " scenario .

The day the club leaves the town is the day it is no longer representative of the Borough Of Barnsley .

In my opinion you lose your Barnsley FC credentials and simply follow the ownership in a franchise manner .

As much as Oakland Raiders fans in the NFL who would continue to support the club even though they now reside in Las Vegas .

Absolutely nobody as far as I'm aware followed Wimbledon to Milton Keynes and why would they ?

This country is culturally different to the rest of the world which is why absolutely nobody despite having two teams in the same town or city would even contemplate sharing the same stadium as Inter and AC Milan do .

Even though it makes financial sense in many respects but culture in this country is way more important than money at least when it comes to our clubs .

If it was it would have happened years ago

You wouldn't have got me through the turnstiles at Coventry City if I was a fan playing in Northampton or at Birmingham City if they were in the top four in the PL .

There are things even today money cannot buy .

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Originally Posted by Arblasterfromthepast

I think you're right Animal. As Yorkshire born has said, it could be a long haul. But my view is, if I'm watching a team called Barnsley FC playing at New York Stadium, or anywhere else for that matter, then it's no longer my team.

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Thing is Arb - would you be watching them at New York Stadium ?
I know I wouldn’t.
And I can’t see hardly any Barnsley fans watching them away from Oakwell.

PMG are desperate to develop Oakwell so they can get the club ready to sell it for a big profit in the future.
They can’t do that playing away from Oakwell because the attendances would plummet and they would have high rent to pay while playing at another ground.

Playing away from Oakwell would cost the owners £££millions.
It’s therefore highly unlikely its going to happen.
Unless of course Oakwell is being developed and we need a temporary home.
Or - something terrible happens at Oakwell that loses the owners £££millions to stay there.

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

When I say every fan has the right to decide and see this as they see it I do draw the line when it comes to supporting the club in an " Out Of Town " scenario .

The day the club leaves the town is the day it is no longer representative of the Borough Of Barnsley .

In my opinion you lose your Barnsley FC credentials and simply follow the ownership in a franchise manner .

As much as Oakland Raiders fans in the NFL who would continue to support the club even though they now reside in Las Vegas .

Absolutely nobody as far as I'm aware followed Wimbledon to Milton Keynes and why would they ?

This country is culturally different to the rest of the world which is why absolutely nobody despite having two teams in the same town or city would even contemplate sharing the same stadium as Inter and AC Milan do .

Even though it makes financial sense in many respects but culture in this country is way more important than money at least when it comes to our clubs .

If it was it would have happened years ago

You wouldn't have got me through the turnstiles at Coventry City if I was a fan playing in Northampton or at Birmingham City if they were in the top four in the PL .

There are things even today money cannot buy .

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JUst not the way to do business or the way to act in a business sense is it Animal. like you say, American culture may be much more tolerant of these ways of working.

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

Thing is Arb - would you be watching them at New York Stadium ?
I know I wouldn’t.
And I can’t see hardly any Barnsley fans watching them away from Oakwell.

PMG are desperate to develop Oakwell so they can get the club ready to sell it for a big profit in the future.
They can’t do that playing away from Oakwell because the attendances would plummet and they would have high rent to pay while playing at another ground.

Playing away from Oakwell would cost the owners £££millions.
It’s therefore highly unlikely its going to happen.
Unless of course Oakwell is being developed and we need a temporary home.
Or - something terrible happens at Oakwell that loses the owners £££millions to stay there.

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Sorry Nudge, I thought it was clear. No I definitely want be watching them play elsewhere, but the pure fact that they'd even threaten to move us away from Oakwell just isn't the professional and respectful way to go about solving the issues they have.

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Originally Posted by yorkshireborn

whether you starve them of money or not you still need a buyer with deep pockets i think we will be stuck with these for a few more years

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You need to have a long good think then when you enter the football industry .

It's a risk and reward industry .

If you don't want to risk losing money then stay clear .

I didn't ask PMG to buy this club and I didn't invent the rules of financial engagement .

Either accept the reality or feck right out of it and experiment at some other club who think you can pull a profit out of zilch investment .

I'll gladly accept our limitations which under its own financial steam is more league one and league two .

There isn't a business I know that hasn't become something bigger , something profitable if it didn't carry a risk to losing investment at some stage .

Either come and play the game you choosed to play or feck off .

Almost any fan ownership model could run this club in the same way in league one or two .

At least a fan ownership model would care about the club's importance in the town , it's history and heritage .

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

Thing is Arb - would you be watching them at New York Stadium ?
I know I wouldn’t.
And I can’t see hardly any Barnsley fans watching them away from Oakwell.

PMG are desperate to develop Oakwell so they can get the club ready to sell it for a big profit in the future.
They can’t do that playing away from Oakwell because the attendances would plummet and they would have high rent to pay while playing at another ground.

Playing away from Oakwell would cost the owners £££millions.
It’s therefore highly unlikely its going to happen.
Unless of course Oakwell is being developed and we need a temporary home.
Or - something terrible happens at Oakwell that loses the owners £££millions to stay there.

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Why would you need a top class Stadium to house a S4ite team? Would you Redevelop your house at a cost of millions, then let the local feral family run riot in it! They won’t redevelop it, even if the family and the council, GAVE them Oakwell for free. It won’t happen. Why should the council and the family trust this lot?
I think they are alienating/disenfranchising the fans to make it less painless when they up sticks and go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Jules88

Why would you need a top class Stadium to house a S4ite team? Would you Redevelop your house at a cost of millions, then let the local feral family run riot in it! They won’t redevelop it, even if the family and the council, GAVE them Oakwell for free. It won’t happen. Why should the council and the family trust this lot?
I think they are alienating/disenfranchising the fans to make it less painless when they up sticks and go somewhere else.

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I’m nearly sure I’ve read that the owners want better facilities so it will generate more income for the club ie so they can attract better players.
Reading between the lines - the state of Oakwell - especially the West Stand - is a bottleneck that’s holding the club back.