Vlad loses patience.Karma coming for the UK and unfriendly EU countries.

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Originally Posted by outwoodclaret

I draw a clear distinction between Orban and Vladimir Putin. The latter is a KGB trained street thug and assassin. There is no rule book in Russia only Putin’s rule. His war in Ukraine was never a special military operation to destroy Nazis but a planned invasion to eradicate a nation he does not believe has a right to exist. He will take it piece by piece installing his Gauleiters in occupied territories to run rigged plebiscites while they plunder Ukraine’s resources. Ritter says Russia will win so better to surrender now and save lives. What a prick! Who in their right mind would willingingly hand themselves over to a murderer, butcher and thief?

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I beg to differ Outwood.You need to understand the origins of this conflict.Then and only then can you have a valid objective opinion on it.It is not simply a matter of being on one side or the other or whether you like Vladimir Putin or not.I personally am indifferent but the disproportianate Russophobia and the virtue signalling to Ukraine is cringeworthy.I do not support the invasion but Russia was left with little choice after their proposals for a new European security framework were ignored in December.This war was has been in the planning by the US and NATO for 15 years.Their desire for a unipolar world controlled from Washington automatically makes Russia and China the enemy and they have used all the tools of propaganda at their disposal to paint Russia and China as the bad guys whereas history shows that the one country that has created more misery on the planet in the last 70 years is the USA and NATO.
You never hear the other side of the story-even independent journalist reports from the Donbass have even been banned now so that itself should tell you how nervous they are of the facts coming out.If they were so convinced they are on the right side of history then why would they not allow reports to be seen from the front line?
There is a very strong neo-nazi movement in Ukraine despite what you think.The ethnic Hungarians in western Ukraine have also been the subject of attacks over the last 8 years by the increasingly extreme nationalist government in Kiev-they even have summer camps for children which indoctrinate the kids into this sick doctrine.I have videos where children as young as 7-8 years old are taught the nazi salute and taught to hero worship Stepan Bandera.
There is an american financial blogger and filmmaker who has lived in Kharkov for the last 3 years and is married to a Ukrainian.He uploads videos from his apartment in Kharkov and for that he has been detained by the SBU for 10 days back in April and had all his digital devices confiscated and is forbidden from leaving the city.He explains perfectly from his unique view the background to the war.

https://youtu.be/fF6D22efXss

Boris jumped on the Ukraine bandwagon and look where that got him. >:)

Despite what EU p-u-s-s-y cats think, Putin will continue to buffer up Russia's coterminous borders; because neither the EU nor NATO and the US have the cojones or resources to stop him.

Then we shall just have to differ on this issue CiB.

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Originally Posted by outwoodclaret

Then we shall just have to differ on this issue CiB.

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Fight, fight! :mad:

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Originally Posted by outwoodclaret

Then we shall just have to differ on this issue CiB.

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The Ukrainians last night dropped white phosphorous on Donetsk city on a Saturday night-this is a banned chemical weapon on a civilian city.BBC,CNN,NBC etc. did not think it was worth mentioning.


https://youtu.be/2XWLzNCpALg

Buda - understand where you're coming from despite the propaganda videos...but Ukraine is an internationally recognised independent state and as such has every right to join NATO or any other club it wishes to - and it is none of Russia's business if they do. Just because they allegedly feel "threatened" they have no right to invade. Whilst local racism undoubtedly exists on both sides, they are a relatively small minority of fanatics as the vast majority of people in the Donbass have co-existed comfortably for a very long time. The fanatics are an excuse for war like invading the UK because of Millwall fans. Exactly the same tactics as Chechnya.
Did Ukraine attack the Eastern States that declared their independence? No - and yet they had more reason to feel threatened especially after the Russians annexed the Crimea.
This is about one thing only according to many people close to Putin - his undying shame about the collapse of the USSR and his obsession with stamping his name in history by reestablishing the Russkyi Mir - making Russia great again now that he and his old KGB colleagues have taken back control of the state from Yeltsin's cronies.
He doesn't represent the Russian people - he brainwashes them through the state controlled media and rules by fear.

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Originally Posted by ClaretinBudapest

The Ukrainians last night dropped white phosphorous on Donetsk city on a Saturday night-this is a banned chemical weapon on a civilian city.BBC,CNN,NBC etc. did not think it was worth mentioning.


https://youtu.be/2XWLzNCpALg

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Videos of the incident alleged to have taken place on 23/7 in Donetsk have already been on Newsweek. At present the actual material used and who used it does not appear to have been verified. You already know it is the Ukraine. It might be of course.

Read this from the Independent this morning; "Germany is also discussing the supply of tanks and infantry vehicles to Ukraine".

I'm sure Hitler managed to do this once before. :s

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Originally Posted by wanderlust

Buda - understand where you're coming from despite the propaganda videos...but Ukraine is an internationally recognised independent state and as such has every right to join NATO or any other club it wishes to - and it is none of Russia's business if they do. Just because they allegedly feel "threatened" they have no right to invade. Whilst local racism undoubtedly exists on both sides, they are a relatively small minority of fanatics as the vast majority of people in the Donbass have co-existed comfortably for a very long time. The fanatics are an excuse for war like invading the UK because of Millwall fans. Exactly the same tactics as Chechnya.
Did Ukraine attack the Eastern States that declared their independence? No - and yet they had more reason to feel threatened especially after the Russians annexed the Crimea.
This is about one thing only according to many people close to Putin - his undying shame about the collapse of the USSR and his obsession with stamping his name in history by reestablishing the Russkyi Mir - making Russia great again now that he and his old KGB colleagues have taken back control of the state from Yeltsin's cronies.
He doesn't represent the Russian people - he brainwashes them through the state controlled media and rules by fear.

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How do you know he does not represent the Russian people?Do you live in Russia?Or is it because the impartial BBC and CNN told you so.Evidence suggests it is you who is being brainwashed Wander.Why do you think they are banning all media that has a different point of view.Why is Germany for instance locking up independent journalists?
Over 80% of Russians approve of Vladimir Putins actions in June 2022:-

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/

The West accounts for 13% of the worlds population and a surprising number of people in the West agree that NATO are to blame for the Ukraine crisis.87% of the worlds population can see through the hypocrisy of the West and continue to do business with Russia.

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How do you know he does not represent the Russian people?Do you live in Russia?Or is it because the impartial BBC and CNN told you so.Evidence suggests it is you who is being brainwashed Wander.Why do you think they are banning all media that has a different point of view.Why is Germany for instance locking up independent journalists?
Over 80% of Russians approve of Vladimir Putins actions in June 2022:-

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/

The West accounts for 13% of the worlds population and a surprising number of people in the West agree that NATO are to blame for the Ukraine crisis.87% of the worlds population can see through the hypocrisy of the West and continue to do business with Russia.

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Because I have read extensively about him and Yeltsin, his biographies, the biographies of his enemies like Berezovsky (a Yeltsin puppet) have discussed him with a musician contact I met in Egypt who actually lives in an apartment in Red Square and has contact with the FSB, and have first hand accounts from people I know from Luhansk/Donetsk - some of whom have evacuated to the West and others who have gone to Russia.

I am aware of Western bias in the media and am grown up enough to know they are peddling an agenda - but none of that changes the fact that Putin is a dictator who has taken control of the state, installed his criminal and ex-KGB colleagues into seats of power which he wrestled from Yeltsin's billionaire puppets and is hell bent on reclaiming the Russki Mir by any means necessary including bombing his own people and blaming it on whoever else he can fit up to pursue his agenda. Who do you think sanctioned Beslan? Sure as hell wasn't the Chechens.