And that's the problem. They are wedded to a particular style whether it works or not. So far, it has proven to be ineffective and insufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Balti Pie
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And that's the problem. They are wedded to a particular style whether it works or not. So far, it has proven to be ineffective and insufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Balti Pie
My heart thinks that, but my head says no, let Neil Warnock's achievements stand as they are, because he owes us nothing. It was a special moment in time and often when you try to re-create those moments it doesn't work and undermines the memory. Nobody would have thought when Warnock walked through the door in 1989 that he would take us from near the bottom of Division 3 to Division 1 in two-and-a-half years. It shows how quickly a disappointing situation can turn into a great one. That speed of success can surely never be repeated, but the opportunity is there for someone to write a new chapter of success in our history. I think the potential is there because we have some very good players for the level we're at, but we need a manager or head coach to exploit it with a couple of key additions and the right tactical approach. Can that be Luke Williams? Far too early to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by slack_pie
Awesome times following Notts home and away under Neil and Mick. I certainly can't see us ever seeing the same again in my lifetime.
Remember not long after he came losing 3 0 at Chesterfield, the week after my old school mate left Chesterfield where he was on loan from Plymouth and signed for Notts. Great memories of warnock and Pavis
Charlie Palmer was another inspired signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddogslater
A lot of eyebrows were raised when Warnock traded Gary Mills to Leicester and took Phil Turner in part exchange and then gradually sidelined big names like Garry Birtles and Geoff Pike in favour of Mark Draper, Tommy Johnson and Paul Barnes, but basically he was replacing players who had already had their best moments with hungry, talented youngsters who would carry out his instructions.
When you look at some of Warnock's team talks on Youtube, you can see how passionate and driven he was. His attitude was infectious and a massive part of his success over decades. I think football today is much more complicated than it was back then. There's more focus on the finer details to do with tactics and conditioning, and less focus on old-school leadership. As a result, it seems that there are fewer managers like Warnock around today - managers whose attitude and personality played as big a part as anything else in their success.
I sometimes think that's what we're missing these days, especially at Notts these last few years. We've got the finer details pretty much sorted, but do we have the passion, determination, and willingness to win at all costs that it takes to be successful?
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Originally Posted by jackal2
I’m sure we would all be delighted if Neil Warnock came out of retirement and took Notts back to the football league or even to league one which is our natural level. It’s romantic in that respect for Notts fans and of course the heart will always say yes.
However the head says Neil Warnock should remain cemented as part of that really successful and exciting part of our long history. He has nothing to prove to any of us, no unfinished business here. His work was done and some hence him being a club legend.
Like Forest over the river they longed for someone to take them back to the premier league. Along came a man called Steve Cooper and a new generation of players that have carried the clubs history but have also made their own piece of history.
That is what we must do as a club create a new piece of history and get back a part of our identity for so long being the worlds oldest football league club. That new piece of history includes everyone from the owners to the kit man. Obviously the fans as well. Time will tell whether the current owners and current manager will be part of it.
That video has prompted me to have a look at the stats for 1989-92 again and its the shockingly low gates in comparison to what we're getting now that stand out. In comparison to Fword however they aren't quite so bad.
Even so, Warnock and Pavis deserved a far better return for the efforts and its' no wonder the collapse was as sudden as the rise with such pitiful support. Had it come a decade or so later, the attendances wouldn't have been such an issue with the amount of money coming in from TV.
If we're not naming the Kop after Colin Slater, Bradd or Masson (the latter pair's era already represented by the Sirrel stand), it should be named after Warnock.
Notts average gates as a percentage of Fwords average gate the same season
1975/76 - 97% (Season I started collecting football cards, both cllubs in tier 2)
1982/83 - 58% (My first season at Meadow Lane, top flight)
1991/92 - 47% (last season both clubs in top flight together)
2009/10 - 31% (Munto season)
2021/22 - 25% (Last season)
Those stats are actually pretty impressive when you think about it. I mean last season was our joint lowest league finish ever, while it was Forest's best season this century. Forest as a club seem way more than four times bigger than us. The amount of money they have is probably closer to 4000x than 4x. So to get a quarter of their gates is pretty good really.Quote:
Originally Posted by upthemaggies
It's strange about the low gates when we were last a decent side. I think we average just over 10k in the top flight. We'd probably get that if we made it back to L1 now, given the momentum and excitement that would generate.
Very interesting stats!Quote:
Originally Posted by upthemaggies