Why are we talking about a new manager on here ?

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Originally Posted by Turf_Forever

Headline news! Burnley fan suggests patience and calm...XD

Been lurking for a while myself but now a contributor, and feel much the same Barrie. It kills me to watch the current performances too, but i cant help thinking back to the comments from Pace during the documentary about not expecting to be promoted immediately. I think theres an underlying 3-5 year plan that may accept we go back down...

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I watched the Brentford game in a sports bar in Corralejo T_F and I cannot believe the difference in last season's swagger and this season's shambles.

Watching on the TV and not being sat in the heavens in the Jimmy Mc Upper which is my usual perch I could not differentiate between Tresor, Odobert, Ramsay, Amdouni and Koleosho.

Just my own opinion but none of them are an improvement on Benson, Zaroury or Rodriguez so why buy them other than long-term prospects?

O'Shea, Berge, Delcroix and Massengo have been added to the squad but I see no improvement whatsoever from last season.

I think "Lucky" Alan Pace's luck has now expired. :blue:

No such thing as being promoted to early with the financial gains. I get the plan but it won't work with our limited finances as we need a blend of quality experience to bring these kids on, and we don't appear to have the financial resources to do both, so it's doomed to fail. We should be trying to consolidated, but instead are trying to run before we are even crawling and it isn't working

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Originally Posted by ballcock

No such thing as being promoted to early with the financial gains. I get the plan but it won't work with our limited finances as we need a blend of quality experience to bring these kids on, and we don't appear to have the financial resources to do both, so it's doomed to fail. We should be trying to consolidated, but instead are trying to run before we are even crawling and it isn't working

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I see a very deliberate strategy to throw a young team in at the deep end and accelerate their development. If we stay up great, if we don't we'll have a young squad ready to go again. Who was it that said you'll never win anything with kids? Relax and enjoy the ride :P

Getting beat every week by 3 goal margins is not a recipe for managerial longevity T_F. I pose the questions to get a dialogue going, opinions are what footy is all about, surely. UTC#

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Originally Posted by Turf_Forever

Headline news! Burnley fan suggests patience and calm...XD

Been lurking for a while myself but now a contributor, and feel much the same Barrie. It kills me to watch the current performances too, but i cant help thinking back to the comments from Pace during the documentary about not expecting to be promoted immediately. I think theres an underlying 3-5 year plan that may accept we go back down...

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This is my thinking aswell.They never expected to get promoted and then when we were promoted VK said lets have a bit of fun in the PL as though he would also not be surprised if we were relegated again.A yoyo team-but it is easier said than done.

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Originally Posted by ClaretinBudapest

This is my thinking aswell.They never expected to get promoted and then when we were promoted VK said lets have a bit of fun in the PL as though he would also not be surprised if we were relegated again.A yoyo team-but it is easier said than done.

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Kids like Trafford, Koleosho and Odobert are not having any confidence boosters by getting hammered every week. For the life in me I cannot understand what VK is doing. >:(

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

I watched the Brentford game in a sports bar in Corralejo T_F and I cannot believe the difference in last season's swagger and this season's shambles.

Watching on the TV and not being sat in the heavens in the Jimmy Mc Upper which is my usual perch I could not differentiate between Tresor, Odobert, Ramsay, Amdouni and Koleosho.

Just my own opinion but none of them are an improvement on Benson, Zaroury or Rodriguez so why buy them other than long-term prospects?

O'Shea, Berge, Delcroix and Massengo have been added to the squad but I see no improvement whatsoever from last season.

I think "Lucky" Alan Pace's luck has now expired. :blue:

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understand everyone’s comments on here and I think we have brought some players to make up numbers I’d guess , however I ve said this before that Zaroury and Benson aren’t imo anyway made for the premier league - they were very good in the championship and may excel in another league but I can’t see it in this one.

I posted on another thread that I think we’ve bought an awful lot of the same footballer this time around , but are they worse than benson and zaroury I’m not sure - benson just gets injured all the time and when he played looked to me like he couldn’t deal with the pace of the game and only wanted to go one way - hence he was removed sharpish and we ain’t seen him since really - for the argument to stand up Zaroury should really have made it impossible for others to take his place. ( he has the talent - but he’s a forgotten man at the minute.).

Reality is the premier league is a much bigger step up than fans and even VK anticipated ,

The big boys league is a lot tougher than most expected

Just on massengo I’d like to see him as I read decent things about him and he looks a well made lad - if he’s less mobile than Berge we have bought badly.

I don’t think relegation was an option for mr. Pace or VK. Sure they have looked at the possibility financially, but the money spent this summer was not to go back down. Mr Pace fell in love with VK early on and has given him everything he has and a bit more. That love will be tested in the coming months, and I hope there is a season two of Mission to Burnley coming so we can see how that relationship develops.
VK said in the series that after 100 meetings and training sessions he could see the performances got better and the players then had gotten to grips with what he wanted from them. That must be about 4 months time. So around Christmas we should be getting some kind of consistent progression where we start picking up more points. Can’t wait! :)

One of the traits of all venture capitalists/ private equity groups like ALK is that they are not prone to knee - jerk reactions, unlike football fans.

They always have a plan over, typically, a 5 to 7 year cycle.

Growth at a sustainable level has to have stability as one of its bedrocks. One of the first steps is to look at the management side of the business - does the management team have the same vision, the skill set to achieve it, able to work with the new owners? If the answer is “no” then management is changed.

After that, stability in management is key. History and statistics show that changing management mid - season rarely makes the results better and can make it worse.

Success for ALK is not whether or not Burnley is a perennial in the bottom third of the PL, but the value of Burnley FC when they come to sell. They have not acquired Burnley as a vanity project, but as a possibility to make an IRR that they will have calculated as their target. That does not mean that they do not want success.

However, in the end it is a calculated business investment first and, yes, they may become fans in the process (certainly Alan Pace) but, as was clear from “Mission to Burnley” they were not looking for an immediate return to the PL, they were not looking for success and glory.

Venture capitalists/ private equity groups are not naïve either. Every business has its ups and downs as no - one can control all aspects that affect the business. They will control what they can control and implement strategies that they believe will grow the value of the club.

I cannot, therefore, see VK being sacked. He fits their vision, is financially astute and is in tune with the business model

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Originally Posted by WillPark

VK said in the series that after 100 meetings and training sessions he could see the performances got better and the players then had gotten to grips with what he wanted from them. That must be about 4 months time. So around Christmas we should be getting some kind of consistent progression where we start picking up more points. Can’t wait! :)

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This was a rare insight that lots seem to have forgotten, and a valid point to raise in the current situation. Painful right now, but I think VK has the data to know what's going on.