Schar's sending off

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Originally Posted by Zippity

Few points.

By the letter of the law, it was a red but only just because it was such a slight movement.

If it was a red for Schar, it was a red for Diaz as he did the same but, as pointed out, the conccious/unconscious bias of anti-Newcastle and/or the 'we won't be swayed by a big crowd' factors came into play.

I absolutely disagree that we'd all be congratulating one of our players for doing the same. From a personal point of view, I hate it when our players do it. If that had been Gordon, I'd have been calling it out, too. In the great pantheon of what's wrong with football, this sort of thing is near the top of the list, for me.

Ironically, it probably worked in our favour as it woke the crowd up and the players fed off that.

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pantheon ladies and gents, Zip's swallow the Theo - o - sore - a$$ haha.

Agree with you mate, I like the dark arts but I'm no fan of getting opposition players sent off.

The constant law/emphasis changes to the game don’t help. A few seasons back, the slightest contact was a foul (which made for terrible football) and the move from then has been for more and more contact.
The solution is in more training for referees and VAR could be so beneficial if competent officials to run it could be found.
There should be no pressure on refs to give yellows early in the game - the pressure should be on the players which got the yellows. I also think that simulation should be more strictly punished especially the ‘I’ve just been shot’ ones like yesterday. If I was a ref I’d not give a red in that situation on principal.

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Originally Posted by toptoon

. If I was a ref I’d not give a red in that situation on principal.

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A normal person would feel the same.

Refs become refs (partly) because they like telling people what to do and because they like the power of being in control.

This tw.at was probably heading towards Schar thinking 'get in, that's the excuse I need' It'll have given him a right hard-on to give a red, especially to a Newcastle player.

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Originally Posted by Zippity

Refs become refs (partly) because they like telling people what to do and because they like the power of being in control.

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Just as dentists are known as failed doctors, referees are merely failed police officers/politicians…

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Originally Posted by 18nufc92

Just as dentists are known as failed doctors, referees are merely failed police officers/politicians…

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Certainly it was two tier refereeing yesterday.

It absolutely was.

Hopeless from Schar for taking the bait from that slimey soton player, he knows it can be a red card.

Why the ref rewarded Diaz acting with a red to Schar, is beyond me. He should have gotten a red as well, if you were to go by the rules.

A good ref would have given a yellow card to both.

Schar took the bait, and ref took the bait. All set up by the con artist Diaz.

Its a shame that unfair players like Diaz dont get punsihed, when its all on video for everybody to see.

https://fb.watch/u2RLok73WI/

Was it Zip that said this sort of thing is one of the very sad features of the modern game?
I cannot comprehend how this sort of behaviour is even tolerated, let alone normalised.
Way back when, we used to despise and laugh at the "dirty, cowardly foreigners" who attempted to get yellow & red cards and penalties through dramatic pretence of injury. At that time it seemed beyond belief that English players would do something similar.
OK, some of the things Ron Harris or Billy Bremner did were clearly not acceptable - but to imagine either performing a balletic pretence of injury seems unthinkable.
Fine, times change. But the sort of blatant cheating that we saw from Diaz is surely not a good look for the game. What might you call it these days? "Simulation", or "Deception" maybe. For me it is quite simply cheating. And this should be punishable in retrospect on video evidence. It should be classified as "bringing the game into disrepute" in my opinion. And this should incur a heavy punishment - potentially a ban for several matches with a fine for the player.
Something like this would surely stamp out this horrible behaviour - especially if the culture changed so that it was frowned upon by clubs and managers.
It won't happen, of course. But why??? I really don't understand. Surely the minimisation of cheating would benefit the game on any level?

Does the cup game count into his 3-match ban?