Strap yourselves in

I want Goodwin to stay.

His record has been good overall.

Won the championship and finished 4th - overachieved

Second season back up is never easy and other teams have shown that

The recruitment was good. I agree with others that 3-4-3 hasn?t worked. But don?t see that as a reason to get rid of a decent, experienced manager

His man management is good and it is clear players are playing for him.

We have been unlucky this season with the late goals which have killed us a bit

I do think the experiment of a new team this season has shown that we need a bit more experienced pros to be consistent

Overall 2 good seasons and if we finish 7th or 8th with a cup run to semis or better I am happy

I do feel Goodwin is building with this squad and I?d like him to see him have some more years and to build something lasting at tannadice

The endless sacking of managers has served us very badly since the levein / PH era

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LSArab

I want Goodwin to stay.

His record has been good overall.

Won the championship and finished 4th - overachieved

Second season back up is never easy and other teams have shown that

The recruitment was good. I agree with others that 3-4-3 hasn?t worked. But don?t see that as a reason to get rid of a decent, experienced manager

His man management is good and it is clear players are playing for him.

We have been unlucky this season with the late goals which have killed us a bit

I do think the experiment of a new team this season has shown that we need a bit more experienced pros to be consistent

Overall 2 good seasons and if we finish 7th or 8th with a cup run to semis or better I am happy

I do feel Goodwin is building with this squad and I?d like him to see him have some more years and to build something lasting at tannadice

The endless sacking of managers has served us very badly since the levein / PH era

---

It's like Shedka hijacked your account 🤣

It would be stupid to get rid of JG this season. The turn over it players was too great last summer and is was always likely to take time for him to blend a team out of it and assess who are hits and who are not. If we can keep this group and tweak in the summer then I think we'll have a decent team. Otherwise his T will be out I think

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror

It would be stupid to get rid of JG this season. The turn over it players was too great last summer and is was always likely to take time for him to blend a team out of it and assess who are hits and who are not. If we can keep this group and tweak in the summer then I think we'll have a decent team. Otherwise his T will be out I think

---

So you dont think any of the blame for our poor season falls on his absolute insistence on playing one way and refusing to see it's not working?

Honestly, not really. Formation fads come and go but I think it's important that a manager believes in it. I think it's more down to the quality of players we have.

It's easy to create an argument about the formation not fitting the players we have but, honestly, I don't think it'd make that much difference anyway. It's not going to suddenly return Will Ferry back to the form we saw last season for instance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror

Honestly, not really. Formation fads come and go but I think it's important that a manager believes in it. I think it's more down to the quality of players we have.

It's easy to create an argument about the formation not fitting the players we have but, honestly, I don't think it'd make that much difference anyway. It's not going to suddenly return Will Ferry back to the form we saw last season for instance.

---

I think it's more important to win games than anything else, and if your system isn't working and your players aren't able to adapt to it then it's a managers job to do something about it, and he hasn't. If players aren't performing to their full ability,again it's down to the manager to sort out. He's failing on both counts and showing no willingness to adapt himself. We can't just keep blaming it on the rebuild, we are into March ffs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabdownsouth

I think it's more important to win games than anything else, and if your system isn't working and your players aren't able to adapt to it then it's a managers job to do something about it, and he hasn't. If players aren't performing to their full ability,again it's down to the manager to sort out. He's failing on both counts and showing no willingness to adapt himself. We can't just keep blaming it on the rebuild, we are into March ffs.

---

The above is exactly right. If you keep using the same system and getting the same result you don't have to be Albert Einstein to work out what needs changed. While resting players against Motherwell I hope we don't end up with our first choice team back again and end up with another defeat.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arabdownsouth

I think it's more important to win games than anything else, and if your system isn't working and your players aren't able to adapt to it then it's a managers job to do something about it, and he hasn't. If players aren't performing to their full ability,again it's down to the manager to sort out. He's failing on both counts and showing no willingness to adapt himself. We can't just keep blaming it on the rebuild, we are into March ffs.

---

What I'm saying is that the rebuild created a huge amount of risk for us as we previously had a team of players we could rely on. With 14 new players in the door we don't have a clue until later in the season. Unfortunately this is how it's panned out but I'm actually pretty confident the manager can take this base line and improve on it for next season. If he doesn't, he'll be out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror

What I'm saying is that the rebuild created a huge amount of risk for us as we previously had a team of players we could rely on. With 14 new players in the door we don't have a clue until later in the season. Unfortunately this is how it's panned out but I'm actually pretty confident the manager can take this base line and improve on it for next season. If he doesn't, he'll be out.

---

And what I'm saying is, he's had long enough to get some kind of tune out of this lot but failed. He's had long enough to see his system isn't working but refuses to change it, he's stubbornly sticking to a failing masterplan. I genuinely dont see what's going to change next season if he's not willing to.

Agree. Good post. 👍