O/T Theresa

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

Do I take it from your question that you don’t think a desire to kick out/keep out foreigners played a big part in the vote last year?

I’ll return a question, what do you think of May’s refusal to guarantee the future of EU citizens already living here?

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My question was so simple that it doesn't need you to take anything from it - nicely ducked though!

The desire to kick out anyone is only in the imagination - unless you can point me to anyone's stated policy. I appreciate that this helps keeps the desired nasty/racist/xenophobe theme going in an attempt to avoid discussing the issue though. The left can smell Tory blood - I get that - but making things up is hardly helpful.

As for 'keeping people out' - controlling immigration is a form of that if you want to be hysterical. I believe free movement of labour, rather than of people, would have seen a totally different outcome in the referendum.

As for TM - she is in a negotiating position and is no better/worse than her EU counterparts and their silence on Brits abroad. Of course, she did offer to put people's rights on the table shortly after the referendum, but the EU negotiators decided that sorting out the cash was more important. And it still is, cash first, lives and livelihoods afterwards. But I believe those already here should (and will) stay.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I thought you saying you have to keep correcting my inaccuracies was a dig, as I don't remember you doing it very often.

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You caved in on the Italian thread pretty quickly....now either you realised that you were hopelessly outmatched.....or you were using it to get Vlad banned....probably both, is my guess

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Originally Posted by HaylePie

My question was so simple that it doesn't need you to take anything from it - nicely ducked though!

The desire to kick out anyone is only in the imagination - unless you can point me to anyone's stated policy. I appreciate that this helps keeps the desired nasty/racist/xenophobe theme going in an attempt to avoid discussing the issue though. The left can smell Tory blood - I get that - but making things up is hardly helpful.

As for 'keeping people out' - controlling immigration is a form of that if you want to be hysterical. I believe free movement of labour, rather than of people, would have seen a totally different outcome in the referendum.

As for TM - she is in a negotiating position and is no better/worse than her EU counterparts and their silence on Brits abroad. Of course, she did offer to put people's rights on the table shortly after the referendum, but the EU negotiators decided that sorting out the cash was more important. And it still is, cash first, lives and livelihoods afterwards. But I believe those already here should (and will) stay.

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Please can you stop talking common sense, backed up with facts on MAD....it is confusing the likes of Chubby.....he is now PMing his buddies to see how he should react....they are equally confused.....they are re-reading the Anarchist/Socialist pamphlets to find a suitable response....normal service will be resumed once they understand what they are reading.....it might take a while

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

Please can you stop talking common sense.

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It's a curse!

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

You caved in on the Italian thread pretty quickly....now either you realised that you were hopelessly outmatched.....or you were using it to get Vlad banned....probably both, is my guess

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Oh dear, we went through that a couple of weeks ago.

I had a look for the French riots thread, it's the one where you admit to getting Macron mixed up with someone else. Tony said there were huge street protests, I said there were too few people to count as huge bearing in mind the size of France. Quite funny though how Tony himself says that left wing protestors are too militant and should be punished, but when an anarchist group in France starts rioting they become and accurate barometer of public opinion.

The Italian thread was the one where I challenged a point that a quarter of workers don't pay tax and backed it up with official Govt stats. You and others set about trying to prove me wrong with various kinds of approximate figures from Google. I think you also said QE was the same as a bail out, in which case almost every western economy has been bailed out, including ours.

Feel free to start any of the threads up again if needs be.

Andy is still waiting for an answer about who you supported for the US elections by the way.

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Originally Posted by HaylePie

My question was so simple that it doesn't need you to take anything from it - nicely ducked though!

The desire to kick out anyone is only in the imagination - unless you can point me to anyone's stated policy. I appreciate that this helps keeps the desired nasty/racist/xenophobe theme going in an attempt to avoid discussing the issue though. The left can smell Tory blood - I get that - but making things up is hardly helpful.

As for 'keeping people out' - controlling immigration is a form of that if you want to be hysterical. I believe free movement of labour, rather than of people, would have seen a totally different outcome in the referendum.

As for TM - she is in a negotiating position and is no better/worse than her EU counterparts and their silence on Brits abroad. Of course, she did offer to put people's rights on the table shortly after the referendum, but the EU negotiators decided that sorting out the cash was more important. And it still is, cash first, lives and livelihoods afterwards. But I believe those already here should (and will) stay.

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I think you’re a little confused. It wasn’t the EU that called the referendum, it wasn’t the EU that voted to leave, and it wasn’t the EU that proudly announced its intention to welch on money it had already to signed up to pay but then had to back down because of the hopelessness of its situation.

“Kicking the foreigners out” is the default UK government policy at present because in the absence of a deal that’s exactly what they’ve said they’re willing to do. It was a natural consequence of the Leave vote. Large numbers of important workers have already left because they don’t feel welcome anymore. There are plenty of people, including many of the mouth breathers on here, who’ll be very happy about that and won’t care about the potentially huge economic damage. If you don’t think that’s the case, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by HaylePie

It's a curse!

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Maybe but it's still opinion masquerading as fact.
I hope you feel proud that you give substance to all your right wing friends, Hayle.
What May actually offered was the chance for immigrants to start building up their rights - which would take 5 years to accrue. Any disputes to be decided in a British court -

(FROM THE GRAUNIAD) But the UK is not prepared to concede to the EU’s demand to allow the European court of justice to be the guarantor of those rights. A government source said: “The commitment we will make will be enshrined in UK law, and enforceable through our highly respected courts.”

Whilst I agree that British law is internationally respected, what's in it will have been politically determined by a right wing government. You may trust it, I don't.

Is Hayle a Protectorate or is it within the UK? The current xenophobic mood of this country is apparent wherever I go. No wonder EU workers want out. The referendum has given substance to a load of nationalist and racist thugs who make me ashamed to be British. I didn 't say that everyone who voted Leave was a racist but most of them I would venture to avow were nationalists and this board positively oozes nationalism.

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Originally Posted by sidders

Maybe but it's still opinion masquerading as fact.
I hope you feel proud that you give substance to all your right wing friends, Hayle.
What May actually offered was the chance for immigrants to start building up their rights - which would take 5 years to accrue. Any disputes to be decided in a British court -

(FROM THE GRAUNIAD) But the UK is not prepared to concede to the EU’s demand to allow the European court of justice to be the guarantor of those rights. A government source said: “The commitment we will make will be enshrined in UK law, and enforceable through our highly respected courts.”

Whilst I agree that British law is internationally respected, what's in it will have been politically determined by a right wing government. You may trust it, I don't.

Is Hayle a Protectorate or is it within the UK? The current xenophobic mood of this country is apparent wherever I go. No wonder EU workers want out. The referendum has given substance to a load of nationalist and racist thugs who make me ashamed to be British. I didn 't say that everyone who voted Leave was a racist but most of them I would venture to avow were nationalists and this board positively oozes nationalism.

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Why should we allow a section of the community to live in the UK, but abide by different laws?....as I previously stated, no other country to my knowledge allow it.

Obviously, you feeling ashamed of being British will mean that you will shortly be re-locating to that famously successful Socialist Country....Venezuala......when you finally gain access, ask them if you can still have access to British Law in the unlikely event that you are caught shoplifting in their version of Aldi.....see how that goes.....it's highly unlikely, because their stores are empty (nobody wants to business with a corrupt Socialist Dictatorship that has a penchant for the ruling elite to rob the state coffers) plus it's my experience that Dictatorships usually ignore any "rule of law" anyway.....good luck.

Rule Britannia....God Save the Queen.

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

Why should we allow a section of the community to live in the UK, but abide by different laws?....as I previously stated, no other country to my knowledge allow it.

Obviously, you feeling ashamed of being British will mean that you will shortly be re-locating to that famously successful Socialist Country....Venezuala......when you finally gain access, ask them if you can still have access to British Law in the unlikely event that you are caught shoplifting in their version of Aldi.....see how that goes.....it's highly unlikely, because their stores are empty (nobody wants to business with a corrupt Socialist Dictatorship that has a penchant for the ruling elite to rob the state coffers) plus it's my experience that Dictatorships usually ignore any "rule of law" anyway.....good luck.

Rule Britannia....God Save the Queen.

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Seconded.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

Oh dear, we went through that a couple of weeks ago.

I had a look for the French riots thread, it's the one where you admit to getting Macron mixed up with someone else. Tony said there were huge street protests, I said there were too few people to count as huge bearing in mind the size of France. Quite funny though how Tony himself says that left wing protestors are too militant and should be punished, but when an anarchist group in France starts rioting they become and accurate barometer of public opinion.

The Italian thread was the one where I challenged a point that a quarter of workers don't pay tax and backed it up with official Govt stats. You and others set about trying to prove me wrong with various kinds of approximate figures from Google. I think you also said QE was the same as a bail out, in which case almost every western economy has been bailed out, including ours.

Feel free to start any of the threads up again if needs be.

Andy is still waiting for an answer about who you supported for the US elections by the way.

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I didn't get Macron (the physical person) mixed up with anyone.....there was a light-show/hologram event on the news, I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it....I said that I felt Macron was being too "gimicky" in trying that (a comment made in a discussion on a wider range of issues)...you said it was Melanchon....I said that the names were similiar....you then went on to make a big issue of it saying "it was your personal crusade to go around MAD correcting inaccuracies"....hahahaha....let's see how often you go after the other posters on here....or is your "crusade" just aimed at people you don't like?

So there WERE riots in France...but.not big enough by your "barometer"?.....so now you are the judge and jury on what constitutes a "proper" riot?.....wow.....when I then point out that the riots are continuing, your reply is "the French like to riot"....basically nobody can win an argument with you, you are the one making the rules....plus you change them when you see fit.

On the Italian argument you stated that 25% of eye-ties "could NOT be avoiding (income) tax".....I then showed you official EU reports showing Italy to be the most corrupt EU country of the Big 7, avoiding VAT, to the tune of 25%, which is a tax due on GOODS and SERVICES.....your reply "that's not income tax (even though SERVICES are clearly in the definition)".....then you stated that the BLACK ECONOMY cannot be estimated......EXACTLY, so how the hell can you say that it is impossible for 25% to be avoiding it....it might be 50%, like it is in Mexico......this is the problem with you Driller, you state a position, then if opposed, you tell us to "prove it"....you do it all the time.....but the simple fact is that half the statements on here are opinions, it's a forum.....you cannot prove that 25% are avoiding taxes, and the closest I can get to FACTS are that the EU say 25% are avoiding VAT.

Why would I want to tell Andy who I supported in the US election?, I'm not sure that I've ever expressed an opinion.....apart from the fact that Trump is mad as a hatter......that obviously cannot be proved (before you start again), though I notice there is an attempt by certain doctors to have him declared "unfit to govern"