OT Border Control State of Emergency

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

I don't care about the ethnicity or immigration status of either the victim or offender, Yak. That was the point of my post. I was curious about why the alleged immigration status of the alleged offender seems to be the only issue for you.

I don't think we know much about the victim (which it is how it will stay given the reporting restrictions that apply to victims of ***ual offences – unless, of course some of the warriors of the right choose to spread her details over social media). Would it have made a difference to you if the victim turned out to be not white?

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Kerr I?m sure you know me well enough to know that if it was a black girl it would be just as severe. Don?t cheap shot me. I?ve also been very open about being mixed race so I?m not sure I can be called racist. We have a problem importing rapists and criminals. The government advice has been don?t travel to Somalia but we will happily let them in and put them in hotels free to roam and commit crimes. I?m sick of people saying it?s a right wing thing. Are the women protesting all right wing? They are concerned for their children?s safety. How many more children have been attacked, raped that we aren?t aware of? The police, politicians, and other professions seem keen to cover it up so I would guess the answer is more rapes have probably happened. How many is too many or is it all part of a bigger picture?

When I was in Afghanistan the biggest fear for female squaddies was getting raped. Yet we have imported loads of them who think it?s ok to have *** with underage girls what could possibly go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Yak

Kerr I?m sure you know me well enough to know that if it was a black girl it would be just as severe. Don?t cheap shot me. I?ve also been very open about being mixed race so I?m not sure I can be called racist. We have a problem importing rapists and criminals. The government advice has been don?t travel to Somalia but we will happily let them in and put them in hotels free to roam and commit crimes. I?m sick of people saying it?s a right wing thing. Are the women protesting all right wing? They are concerned for their children?s safety. How many more children have been attacked, raped that we aren?t aware of? The police, politicians, and other professions seem keen to cover it up so I would guess the answer is more rapes have probably happened. How many is too many or is it all part of a bigger picture?

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Don’t cheap shot you? Take a look at your post 178. I will happily not cheap shot you if you afford me a similar courtesy - in other words, think twice out handing it out if you don’t like it coming back.

Yes, the FCO advise against all travel to Somalia. It is a failed state – destroyed by years of post-colonial civil war and cold war proxy conflicts. With that being the position, it is hardly surprising that some people want to leave and have crack at a better life. I would do the same and I think that you would too. Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not make either of us any more or less prone to be rapists.

The same applies to Afghanistan. I can well understand why service women would fear rape if captured – that is the nature of conflicts:

https://ehne.fr/en/encyclopedia/them...e-in-times-war
https://mh.bmj.com/content/48/1/94

Where do you stand on Somali and Afghan women who manage to make it to the UK. Are you happy for them to be forced to return?

With the way that the 4% of immigration that enters the country via small boats (or similar routes) has been weaponised by the like of Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and the Daily Mail, I think even the most liberal of Labour politicians will be aware that it may well cost them the next election. Because of that, I doubt whether anyone can be said to be happily letting them in. The point is that it is impossible to stop people entering the country that way, unless, of course, you want to gun them down in The Channel. I suspect that there are some on the far right who would support that, but I do not believe that a country as a whole would accept it.

It is entirely natural for people (women or otherwise) to be concerned for their children and I have never labelled people who engage in peaceful protest as right wing, left wing, centrist or in any way at all. My worry is that they are the victims of the weaponisation described above. In other words, I am concerned that they have fallen for the narrative that you are advancing – without any evidence that I have seen - that asylum seekers are any more likely to commit ***ual offences than other men.

The protests that have taken place outside hotels have certainly been certainly hijacked by people who are not intent on peaceful protest. I have no qualms about labelling some of them far right (I may have the advantage there as I have met a few of them in a professional capacity).

Don’t believe the 4% figure at all. If you believe that you are deluded.
It’s isn’t women what are coming from these countries it’s young males.
Your insistence that everyone is influenced by Farage etc is yet another way to label everyone and deem them all misguided.
I think I can speak from experience in Afghanistan that women and under age girls were raped every day. You aren’t an expert in everything I was there for 2 years.
The idiots in these marches also include antifa hooliganism who are being heavily funded.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

Crikey. That seems to have touched some nerves.

The point is this: There are rapes and ***ual offences committed every day in this country and yet the only allegations that appear to prompt press conferences by Reform are those against people who may or may not be asylum seekers. Similarly, just about the only allegations that attract the wrath of some Millers Mad posters are those against such people (I say only just as I recall a thread were a couple of posters expressed anger at a C of E cover-up).

It seems to me that my question is perfectly valid even if some people find it uncomfortable

What’s going on here? It’s almost as though those who seem intent upon whipping up anger against irregular migrants (who make up only about 4% of the immigration into this country) actually want disorder and public disquiet instead of any reasoned discussion and actions.

Maybe the attitude is that ‘if our women are going to be abused it should be us who does it’. There is some evidence to support that:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...domestic-abuse

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You are out of touch man! That that you had quoted is exactly the stick the lunatic left have been closing down conversations with for years.

You?ve argued so much using the same method that your head is well and truly stuck up your arse.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

Don’t cheap shot you? Take a look at your post 178. I will happily not cheap shot you if you afford me a similar courtesy - in other words, think twice out handing it out if you don’t like it coming back.

Yes, the FCO advise against all travel to Somalia. It is a failed state – destroyed by years of post-colonial civil war and cold war proxy conflicts. With that being the position, it is hardly surprising that some people want to leave and have crack at a better life. I would do the same and I think that you would too. Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not make either of us any more or less prone to be rapists.

The same applies to Afghanistan. I can well understand why service women would fear rape if captured – that is the nature of conflicts:

https://ehne.fr/en/encyclopedia/them...e-in-times-war
https://mh.bmj.com/content/48/1/94

Where do you stand on Somali and Afghan women who manage to make it to the UK. Are you happy for them to be forced to return?

With the way that the 4% of immigration that enters the country via small boats (or similar routes) has been weaponised by the like of Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and the Daily Mail, I think even the most liberal of Labour politicians will be aware that it may well cost them the next election. Because of that, I doubt whether anyone can be said to be happily letting them in. The point is that it is impossible to stop people entering the country that way, unless, of course, you want to gun them down in The Channel. I suspect that there are some on the far right who would support that, but I do not believe that a country as a whole would accept it.

It is entirely natural for people (women or otherwise) to be concerned for their children and I have never labelled people who engage in peaceful protest as right wing, left wing, centrist or in any way at all. My worry is that they are the victims of the weaponisation described above. In other words, I am concerned that they have fallen for the narrative that you are advancing – without any evidence that I have seen - that asylum seekers are any more likely to commit ***ual offences than other men.

The protests that have taken place outside hotels have certainly been certainly hijacked by people who are not intent on peaceful protest. I have no qualms about labelling some of them far right (I may have the advantage there as I have met a few of them in a professional capacity).

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you didn?t see any antifa thugs then ?

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Originally Posted by frogmiller

You are out of touch man! That that you had quoted is exactly the stick the lunatic left have been closing down conversations with for years.

You?ve argued so much using the same method that your head is well and truly stuck up your arse.

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I enjoy his posts. He's a cheerleader for the Deep State.

Their problem is that people are awakening exponentially and recognising these false messages.

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Originally Posted by Eternal Optimist

I enjoy his posts. He's a cheerleader for the Deep State.

Their problem is that people are awakening exponentially and recognising these false messages.

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You know what I hate most about the liberal left? They have taken a just cause in the labour left movement, absorbed themselves into the leadership of the once great unions and are using it to finance anything that is against what they believe in.
By calling us who disagree with them far right, fascists and nanzi.
Most of their paid militants wear face coverings and are provided with professionally printed banners and posters.

I am sick to death of it and I wonder how the hell the old union members were duped into accepting it.

Anyone that still pays into a union should detach and rid themselves of them. Wolves in sheep?s clothing and nothing more. Greedy for power and not the sense to use any power they gain for the common good anymore.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

I don't care about the ethnicity or immigration status of either the victim or offender, Yak. That was the point of my post. I was curious about why the alleged immigration status of the alleged offender seems to be the only issue for you.

I don't think we know much about the victim (which it is how it will stay given the reporting restrictions that apply to victims of ***ual offences – unless, of course some of the warriors of the right choose to spread her details over social media). Would it have made a difference to you if the victim turned out to be not white?

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Just another stat hey Kerr only 8 year old collateral damage hey.

https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/19528...a5CJQSL-fc1GEg

So over how many thousands last year by boats but 700k migrants enter the UK.

The boats must be a distraction! Could those saying that the gangs are loading up trucks at night be correct? Loading them up and putting them on ferries?

I have often said that we don?t hear of them passing through France to get to Calais! The migrants take up hotels and community buildings here but we don?t see the additional 700k people passing through the countryside from town to town trying to get to Britain!