Election Year or Fear!

It's also important to remember with vaccines it also reduces the risk of transmission.

So it helps others who may be at risk

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

'er indoors has had it twice. I hit the guest's bedroom for a few days. Once she tested negative, I returned to the matrimonial bed.

What worries me the most is that many young parents are now deciding not to have their offspring vaccinated at all. Measles etc are back on the rise. We are seeing cases of polio again. Tried and tested vaxes are, we know, not 100% safe and they don't "take" on everybody. However, there's less chance of issues if kids get vaccinated than if they don't. For the sake of those parents who have decided not to have their kids vaxed, I hope there's no cause for them to rue that decision but it's a guarantee there will be those wondering why their kid has developed polio, hopefully, not to the extent they need an iron lung.

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Polio is a great example. Growing up in industrial and heavily populated Lancashire I remember the real fear of infection back in the late fifties, early sixties. Then came the injections, or - if I remember correctly - sometimes just a dose on a sugar cube,
and the fear was gone from a disease that has been virtually eradicated in this country but for the indifference and ignorance of a few in more recent times.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

I know…and I recognise there’s little point in arguing with ‘Capt. Yes, but, no, but GBeebies says…’, but you have to challenge nonsense sometimes don’t you? Otherwise you end up with mad men in charge.:O

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On a broader level yes, TTR is not ever going to be in charge of anything! Even on the broader level I've come to the conclusion that most people wouldn't recognise reality if it smacked them in the face.

I know the AF's and G's of this world scoff when I talk about 1930's Germany, but one would either have to be wilfully blind or just complacent not to recognise what's happening around the world. One would think people would learn from history and not get suckered twice, but as ironically history shows, people often don't learn from history.

You and me and probably AF and GP won't necessarily see the full effects, but I do fear for the future of our children and grandchildren.

I also realise that people think you and I are so far "left" in our views that we are blind to what others feel and see, that of course is not the case, but its a useful distraction for those blindly swallowing billionaires *******s, which its obvious is only pushed to benefit the billionaires.

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Originally Posted by SithHappens

I'd be interested in knowing how many people who were anti Vax, citing the risks (which I don't think the media helped with), .

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The media repeatedly crossed the line between helping the cause and creating fear for the sake of filling column inches and air time IMO. I wouldn't trust anything ITV say on health matters after the reckless way they sewed doubt in the mind of young mothers during the 'autism from MMR' controversy, which arose when my kids were in the 'firing line'

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Originally Posted by swaledale

On a broader level yes, TTR is not ever going to be in charge of anything! Even on the broader level I've come to the conclusion that most people wouldn't recognise reality if it smacked them in the face.

I know the AF's and G's of this world scoff when I talk about 1930's Germany, but one would either have to be wilfully blind or just complacent not to recognise what's happening around the world. One would think people would learn from history and not get suckered twice, but as ironically history shows, people often don't learn from history.

You and me and probably AF and GP won't necessarily see the full effects, but I do fear for the future of our children and grandchildren.

I also realise that people think you and I are so far "left" in our views that we are blind to what others feel and see, that of course is not the case, but its a useful distraction for those blindly swallowing billionaires *******s, which its obvious is only pushed to benefit the billionaires.

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Yes Swale, you are your ilk are always right. Don't forget to return to the defence mechanism insults.
Lots of mad people, the USA/ across Europe, Jew hunts happening right in front of you in Amsterdam provoking them

Nothing to see here, move along

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

The media repeatedly crossed the line between helping the cause and creating fear for the sake of filling column inches and air time IMO. I wouldn't trust anything ITV say on health matters after the reckless way they sewed doubt in the mind of young mothers during the 'autism from MMR' controversy, which arose when my kids were in the 'firing line'

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They did the same during the banking crisis, sensationslist headlines about the likes of Northern Rock running out of money and what happened next? Suddenly people are queuing round the block ti get their money out. I appreciate they have a job to do to report the news but doing so in a responsible manner is key.

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Originally Posted by SithHappens

They did the same during the banking crisis, sensationslist headlines about the likes of Northern Rock running out of money and what happened next? Suddenly people are queuing round the block ti get their money out. I appreciate they have a job to do to report the news but doing so in a responsible manner is key.

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Off the subject a bit, but there was an interview on this subject on radio 4 last week with a 'respected journalist' (cant recall which, might have been Steven Sackur) who admitted that mainstream news media is becoming like the internet, no filter, any give channel/publication HAS to 'follow the leader' on a given issue in order not to lose ratings/sales. Media manipulation of 'the masses' is one of my hobby horses so I'll get off it and get my breakfast before I get boring

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

Off the subject a bit, but there was an interview on this subject on radio 4 last week with a 'respected journalist' (cant recall which, might have been Steven Sackur) who admitted that mainstream news media is becoming like the internet, no filter, any give channel/publication HAS to 'follow the leader' on a given issue in order not to lose ratings/sales. Media manipulation of 'the masses' is one of my hobby horses so I'll get off it and get my breakfast before I get boring

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‘The medium is the message.’

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

‘The medium is the message.’

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ah yes, Marsh nailed it

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Originally Posted by swaledale

On a broader level yes, TTR is not ever going to be in charge of anything! Even on the broader level I've come to the conclusion that most people wouldn't recognise reality if it smacked them in the face.

I know the AF's and G's of this world scoff when I talk about 1930's Germany, but one would either have to be wilfully blind or just complacent not to recognise what's happening around the world. One would think people would learn from history and not get suckered twice, but as ironically history shows, people often don't learn from history.

You and me and probably AF and GP won't necessarily see the full effects, but I do fear for the future of our children and grandchildren.

I also realise that people think you and I are so far "left" in our views that we are blind to what others feel and see, that of course is not the case, but its a useful distraction for those blindly swallowing billionaires *******s, which its obvious is only pushed to benefit the billionaires.

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Assuming that I am the G, I can see signs of increasing right wing influences in this country, and indeed the USA, but notice more in the former eastern european countries: well I say former eastern european countries, but they are still there!! Former eastern bloc, eg Hungary. Poland.

Is this as dangerous as Germany in the 20's and 30's? Not yet, it seems more a pushback against uncontrolled immigration as opposed to ostracizing existing citizens but it is a trend that could escalate. I don't think Europe is yet vulnerable to rampant Hungarian forces marching into Paris etc, but the internal politics gives cause for a little concern.

In UK I don't see right wing activism as being anything like as influential as Moseley was but there is a growing anti immigrant /islamaphobic tendency even among otherwise moderate individuals that I know.

I'm not sure it's on a par with Germany though. Nazism developed there in an atmosphere of post WW1 reparations and a global economic crash and thus was driven by poverty and anger against the haves.