Sack him, save our season

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Originally Posted by LeftPeg_Pie

Montague - Left for the Championship.
Crowley - Left for more money.
The Saunders Bros - Evidence they were forced out?
Not being replaced - Fair, observable point.
McGoldrick being 35 - Not his fault he is still good.
Jones being injury prone - His first injury was literally a leg break.
Relying on those two - Fair point.
Maynards playing record - How is that remotely important to his managerial career?

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It was Said on the Magpie Circle last night that the Saunders Brothers left because of Disciplinary reasons make of that what you will

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

There's a difference between having it in for them and not having your tongue permanently up their back passages.

It's the super daddy syndrome all over again, rinse and repeat. The more interviews Scardino, Trembling, Trew and Hardy gave, the more human and fallible they revealed themselves to be. Many of the same people fawning at their feet then attacked them for not being the saviours they believed them to be.

As the bros barely say anything, people are left to construct an ideal and perfect image in their heads that everything is being taken care of, they're in control, they're calm, never phased, never panicked, they know what they're doing every step of the way, each apparent set back is actually part of the long term plan, yada yada yada, We don't need to worry or do anything but give praise and thanks, amen.

Should the fan base be revolting? No. Should they be asking questions? probably, though I can accept now is not the time to rock the boat with the club still in a good position, but I can understand why the panic is growing.

Certainly at the end of the season if we haven't gone up, I think Notts really need to think about ripping up plan A and adapting to FL realities. Luton's ascent, rather than Brentford's, would be a more realistic one with which to compare and to try to emulate, but they took the very direct and old school approach I believe.

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You don?t think you have it in for them? Ok but your views on the owners is heavily slanted one way and I?m trying to work out why? Especially with the obvious recent predecessors performances.

I believe as the bros barely say anything then they massively reduce the chances of over promising and under delivery. Saying stuff just for the sake or prematurely to appease fans. What silence does encourage is baseless speculation and conspiracy theories in some quarters and more importantly it promotes judging them in their actions rather than their words. Nothing wrong with that in my mind and nothing to do with viewing them as perfect.

Why do we need to see or hear about the inner workings, what?s going on behind the scenes especiallly when the trajectory you speak of for the past 5 years has been upward both on and off the field and so many fronts. Why do we need panic? The need to ask questions is when things are going badly. Have they been going badly under these owners? I don?t think so, quite the opposite.


Whether it?s a Brentford model or a Luton model,however realistic or not each is, they have a plan and long term approach and they are backing themselves with heavy investment. When was the last time we had either of those?

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

There's a difference between having it in for them and not having your tongue permanently up their back passages.

It's the super daddy syndrome all over again, rinse and repeat. The more interviews Scardino, Trembling, Trew and Hardy gave, the more human and fallible they revealed themselves to be. Many of the same people fawning at their feet then attacked them for not being the saviours they believed them to be.

As the bros barely say anything, people are left to construct an ideal and perfect image in their heads that everything is being taken care of, they're in control, they're calm, never phased, never panicked, they know what they're doing every step of the way, each apparent set back is actually part of the long term plan, yada yada yada, We don't need to worry or do anything but give praise and thanks, amen.

Should the fan base be revolting? No. Should they be asking questions? probably, though I can accept now is not the time to rock the boat with the club still in a good position, but I can understand why the panic is growing.

Certainly at the end of the season if we haven't gone up, I think Notts really need to think about ripping up plan A and adapting to FL realities. Luton's ascent, rather than Brentford's, would be a more realistic one with which to compare and to try to emulate, but they took the very direct and old school approach I believe.

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Some good points but should panic be setting in at the moment, panic imo should be saved for things like the common lines of the past ?staff haven?t been paid?, not going up this season will be hugely disappointing and it would need to be reviewed properly why in the summer but I don?t think it should bring out panic.

I?ll be classed as having my tongue up their back passages or an apologist but I don?t think anyone?s think they?ve got everything bang on. Its more an acknowledgment of its really difficult in football to get it right all the time, there?s too many variables, but can understand the strategy they have taken.

Not every signings been great, IB and SM seen as questionable appointments but when people want to buy your players, take your managers, take your director of football it?s the true acid test of you?re getting something right and unfortunately unless your in group of about 2 or 3 clubs in the world you can?t keep hold of talent if someone else wants them.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Luton's ascent, rather than Brentford's, would be a more realistic one with which to compare and to try to emulate, but they took the very direct and old school approach I believe.

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Brentford have spent three full years in the PL, none of which have seen them in relegation trouble. This season they sit 12th, four points off a Top Half finish. This season they have spent roughly £60 Million on transfer and received about the same in fees in.

Prior to that they spent seven seasons in The Championship with 11th being their lowest finish. Before that, four years in L1.

In the same time frame, Luton have:

Four years in the NL.
Four in L2.
One in L1.
Four in The Championship.
One season in the PL and currently five points off safety back in The Championship.

£15.5 million in Transfer Fees spent and £19 million received.

Everyone wants to go up, everyone wants to win leagues and play as high as possible but this must be weighted against sustainability.

Given the above, you would much rather be Brentford than Luton.

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Originally Posted by LeftPeg_Pie

Given the above, you would much rather be Brentford than Luton.

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For sure, but Brentford started their journey from a position in L1 and went straight up (or the season after) into the championship after they got taken over IIRC.... and then had 7 consecutive seasons in the top half of tier 2 before going up into the PL. A totally different platform from which to launch.

Luton's revival began in tier 5, a much more relatable and realistic scenario to attempt to mimic, even if they do crash all the way back down again. Who wouldn't take that now if offered?

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Originally Posted by Glad2BeAPie

It was Said on the Magpie Circle last night that the Saunders Brothers left because of Disciplinary reasons make of that what you will

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Listening to the tone of the Saunders interview I would have a bet that it was undermining SM in some way, perhaps with an eye on taking over from him?

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Originally Posted by mozza27

What is our position in the "playing budget size" league in League Two? What is the discrepancy between this ranking and the actual league position of each club? Sorry if someone's done this before and I know it's not all about money - but I've always been interested if someone has the data.

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All hearsay no one really knows do they apart from rough estimates ; Gillingham , MK and Carlisle seemed to be the heavy hitters at season start but hasn't really worked for any of those or their multiple managers has it.

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Originally Posted by SmiffyPie

Listening to the tone of the Saunders interview I would have a bet that it was undermining SM in some way, perhaps with an eye on taking over from him?

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Didn't Maynard as no.2 conspire to oust the manager at Wealdstone a season or two after they'd gone up to tier 5? Almost history repeating itself if you're right.

From the tone of that Saunders self promotion piece I got the feeling that it might actually be their respective other halves who had fallen out and this personal matter sadly spilled over onto the training ground. Perhaps Maynard told Saunders No.2 to put out the cones for a particular training drill and he aggressively refused. I don?t know but my bet is things may have escalated from there to the point where it was the classic ?it?s him or us? ultimatum from Saunders No.1 was laid down before the Powers That Be via Skype or Zoom.

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Originally Posted by Glad2BeAPie

It was Said on the Magpie Circle last night that the Saunders Brothers left because of Disciplinary reasons make of that what you will

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Revolves around the Walsall game. 2 incidents.