O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

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Originally Posted by applepie2

Yes. What I was disagreeing with was a claim that the story has kept changing, from “the vaccines do everything we could have hoped” to “at least you might not die” (paraphrase). The vaccines have been very successful, but we are chasing a moving target, partly because we haven’t made any real effort to vaccinate the whole world.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think lockdown after lockdown is much of an answer to the long term problems.

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We are not in lockdown!

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Originally Posted by matt_magpie

It’s suddenly looking very bleak, will we be in Stadiums in Jan? Even worse as you alluded to, will there be any football?

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Pretty sure I made a prediction pre-season that this season would be cancelled. At this stage however, if I had to bet money on it today, I'd be more inclined to back a winter break.

Behind closed doors or cancelling the season altogether when people have been vaxxed and getting their boosters is not going to be a good look, with most in the not-at-risk group under the impression that getting jabbed was supposed to be their passport to freedom and a return to normality.

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Originally Posted by matt_magpie

It’s suddenly looking very bleak, will we be in Stadiums in Jan? Even worse as you alluded to, will there be any football?

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It certainly is looking bleak. I wonder what the Reedtz Bros. are thinking at the moment.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Pretty sure I made a prediction pre-season that this season would be cancelled. At this stage however, if I had to bet money on it today, I'd be more inclined to back a winter break.

Behind closed doors or cancelling the season altogether when people have been vaxxed and getting their boosters is not going to be a good look, with most in the not-at-risk group under the impression that getting jabbed was supposed to be their passport to freedom and a return to normality.

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Agree, as discussed on here I’m still surprised how it’s not really been challenged how we have gone from vaccines stop 90% of people getting it to now even with 2 jabs and a booster there’s no guarantee, you have to ask, where do we go from here, tbf the take up and roll out has been extremely good in this country yet we are still in this position, you do ask yourself will this ever end.

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Originally Posted by SwalePie

It certainly is looking bleak. I wonder what the Reedtz Bros. are thinking at the moment.

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Imagine Derby having to start another season on minus 21 points.
Dover starting another campaign in the 5th tier would be hilarious.

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Originally Posted by BanjoPie

We are not in lockdown!

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Indeed we aren’t, but we may be soon. I am still waiting for data on hospitalisation and death rates with Omicron, and hoping that they will be better than feared.

Does it look bleak because of what we're personally finding? Or does it look bleak because of the wall to wall doom mongering? As an example, going to the match yesterday felt pretty normal to me, but the Eastleigh game in March 2020 felt like we were on the cusp of something.

I caught part of a discussion on R4 this morning, making comparisons between now and the war. The main point was how the reporting then stuck more to simply relaying facts whereas now there's far greater use of sensationalism and hyperbole. I sense there's nothing the mainstream media would love more than another lockdown.

It’s been a lovely thread, but the message is, get vaccinated. Please.

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Originally Posted by Robertomac

Does it look bleak because of what we're personally finding? Or does it look bleak because of the wall to wall doom mongering? As an example, going to the match yesterday felt pretty normal to me, but the Eastleigh game in March 2020 felt like we were on the cusp of something.

I caught part of a discussion on R4 this morning, making comparisons between now and the war. The main point was how the reporting then stuck more to simply relaying facts whereas now there's far greater use of sensationalism and hyperbole. I sense there's nothing the mainstream media would love more than another lockdown.

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The sensationalism and hyperbole is maybe why people are quick to blame 'the unvaccinated' for the current situation, and allows government to introduce - and a crap opposition to agree to - plans to exclude some people from day to day life despite the fact "it is still possible to catch and spread covid-19 even if fully vaccinated"* .
If you have had the vaccine why be worried if an unvaccinated person was to sit next to you at Meadow Lane, or think it right that the government could exclude people based on whether they have taken the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I'm concerned that people can be excluded from society based on whether they decline the covid-19 vaccine as I thought medical treatment wasn't meant to be based on coercion.
Once COVID passes become accepted I would worry this or future governments might mandate other medical choices to suit their agenda rather than letting the individual decide.


*gov.uk

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

For whatever reason you’ve neglected to mention that NZ has had a grand total of 44 deaths due to Covid.

One reassuring bit about this pandemic is that it’s been demonstrated time and again that people on the right of the political spectrum have an ability to talk sh!t on a whole range of issues.

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You are such an idiot sometimes. Good bit of research, but I'll point out where you fall down. Some of the cases that have been reported as 'Covid Deaths' have nothing to do with Covid, but are just reported to increase the level of fear within the country (see below for the latest case that was reported). A man shot and killed in his driveway was reported as a Covid death.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...3L4WWJYTUZNCQ/

My comment has nothing to do with politics but with the slow removal of civil liberties. You are the expert on nothing but 'sh!t' as you put it.

You neglect to add about the the massive increase in suicides and also the undiagnosed cancers and other life threatening, treatable illnesses that have been missed due to lockdowns. Mind you, only having one eye, you wouldn't see both sides would you? And that one eye is on the top of your head.