O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

OK, I see what you're saying. But Cameron's 'renegotiation' with the EU such as it was bears no relationship to what most of us understand is the trade deal that we would have to negotiate avoid a No Deal Brexit. Whatever Cameron said, before 2015 General Election, the Leave argument was heavily weighted (as their front page of their manifesto said) by it's attachment to a deal and countless pro-Leave politicians saying that a Deal would be possible and even easy. I think WanChai linked to the Leave doc that said this.

Just a thought - it would help if you can find evidence that the General Election manifesto in 2015 made reference to leaving with No Deal in an 'In Out' referendum and then aiming for renegotiation, to solidify Cameron's words here? That would strengthen your case. Or any other Leave docs from the referendum campaign that clearly stated that the intention was to Leave on WTO terms and then re-negotiate? Did these words make it into the either manifesto? No time to check here, got daughter homework to do!

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Here you go.

https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog...renegotiation/

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

Here you go.

https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog...renegotiation/

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So this article, from early 2015 highlight's Cameron's intention to improve our terms with the EU and have an IN/OUT referendum.

All good, but no mention of a new deal with the EU in the event of us leaving the EU which followed from this manifesto and became a significant part in persuading many people to vote Leave. You would have a better point if the Vote Leave campaign was explicitly focused on leaving on WTO terms, but as part of their efforts to win enough votes, they went big time on trying to persuade us that Leaving with a good deal would be easy. Beyond this point, from the start of the referendum and in the Leave manifesto, there was no mention of "We aim to Leave on WTO terms and renegotiate from this position if possible"

I give in with you pup cus you cannot see the truth when it smacks you in the face full pelt and knocks you over. In or Out meant In or Out.

How do you interpret the words in or out as I would really like to know what you think those words mean.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

I give in with you pup cus you cannot see the truth when it smacks you in the face full pelt and knocks you over. In or Out meant In or Out.

How do you interpret the words in or out as I would really like to know what you think those words mean.

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Just like cricket

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that’s in the side that’s in goes out, and when he’s out he comes in and the next man goes in until he’s out.
When they are all out, the side that’s out comes in and the side that’s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!

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Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill

Just like cricket

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that’s in the side that’s in goes out, and when he’s out he comes in and the next man goes in until he’s out.
When they are all out, the side that’s out comes in and the side that’s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!

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Very grammatically incorrect Grist but even in the game of cricket in or out only means in or out.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

I give in with you pup cus you cannot see the truth when it smacks you in the face full pelt and knocks you over. In or Out meant In or Out.

How do you interpret the words in or out as I would really like to know what you think those words mean.

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I feel your frustration Laddo. I am equally frustrated at how many times it needs to be pointed out that leaving the EU with a deal would be OUT of the EU. By your definition of Out in the dictionary. The problem is that even though we will be OUT of the institution of the EU, by your own twist of logic, you do not see it as 'Out' even though we would be.

You can say 'But that ain't really out' or 'Brexit in name only', we would in legal terms be OUT of the EU. Sorry, but I am using the correct definition of out in these terms, not you.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

Very grammatically incorrect Grist but even in the game of cricket in or out only means in or out.

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Yes, I did a Kerr and cut and pasted it

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

Very grammatically incorrect Grist but even in the game of cricket in or out only means in or out.

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Unless you overturn it on review.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

You can say 'But that ain't really out' or 'Brexit in name only', we would in legal terms be OUT of the EU. Sorry, but I am using the correct definition of out in these terms, not you.

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PMSL. Whatever you say pup I give up on you.

Video from Leave Means Leave rally in Dec 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9obfaO-pJI