Careless Tories!

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

You don’t ‘disagree with any of that’ because you can’t. It is irrefutable.

Others in all Parties will ‘get the same amount of fury’, if and when it happens, BUT...what is happening NOW is what matters and, as I hope even you won’t attempt to deny, this is one area where the Tories have a very significant lead.

Sith...I can recall lots of political scandals but never one after the other, day in day out like this lot...and Starmer was found to be innocent because they had followed the rules. Simple as that.

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EH?
I don't disagree, because I don't have to.
AS for this line- Others in all Parties will ‘get the same amount of fury’, if and when it happens, BUT...what is happening NOW is what matters and, as I hope even you won’t attempt to deny, this is one area where the Tories have a very significant lead.

I can do a list like you if you want. From the SNP to Labour. But you in particular are very selective about who you slate.
Whether you are in government or not, is immaterial.
An MP is supposed to be governed by ethics and rules.
You're only interested when its Torys. That is irrefutable.

People stick up Starmer( yes RA including you). But flip flop is far from a shining light in politics.
How about a left wing view, not the mail/express/times as you would nomally rant.
https://novaramedia.com/2021/09/29/k...boris-johnson/

Politicians lie/cheat/steal/ corrupt/abuse.

Acknowledge that and we can move on.

I

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

EH?
I don't disagree, because I don't have to.
AS for this line- Others in all Parties will ‘get the same amount of fury’, if and when it happens, BUT...what is happening NOW is what matters and, as I hope even you won’t attempt to deny, this is one area where the Tories have a very significant lead.

I can do a list like you if you want. From the SNP to Labour. But you in particular are very selective about who you slate.
Whether you are in government or not, is immaterial.
An MP is supposed to be governed by ethics and rules.
You're only interested when its Torys. That is irrefutable.

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I’m not being selective. I just happen to be talking about the Party of Government for the last (very nearly) 13 years.
Go ahead...the floor is all yours. Make your list but remember we’re talking about now...NOT history.
All my examples are from the last couple of years. Broaden it if that helps...make it since the time Johnson took over as leader - and exemplar - of the current Conservative Party and, in the interests of fairness - as I did - let’s stick to one Party at a time please.

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Originally Posted by SithHappens

I actually read that as Bush sucked him off..now that would make headlines.

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In fairness George Bush doing that would likely be more pleasant than Cherie doing it, whining about human rights every up stroke

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

Personally, I think it should be on the table.

Scenario, - Lee Rigby killers. Never a doubt who did it. 100% nailed on.
The judge should have the option- probably with a committee to execute.
Can never be released, so why pay for them?

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That's not the way Laws work and you know it. If there's a death penalty for murder then everybody facing murder charges could be executed if that was the verdict handed down.

One person wrongly executed is two too many, IMO. If there's a way to ensure that no innocent person ever gets executed, I'd be with you. However, it's simply not possible so Capital Punishment is a no no.

Not just for the sake of those wrongly executed. When we had the death penalty, the jury could recommend it as the punishment. Take the following scenario. A person gets found guilty of murder. The jury recommends the death penalty. The Judge agrees. The execution is carried out. The following year another person is arrested for several murders and admits to the one someone has been executed for. They give details of the murder that only the perpetrator could know and also gives up the location of the, so far, undiscovered body which is found exactly where they said it would be.

Someone has been executed for a crime they didn't commit. That's bad. A shame we can't make amends. Now, think of the anguish of family and friends of the person wrongly executed. Many lives, wrongly, blighted. Then there's the 12 people who who found the first suspect guilty and recommended having them killed. They would be devastated.

That's a lot of lives in turmoil for no other reason than your lust for "justice", for "blood".

Can never be released so why pay for them? Because we pretend to be a civilised society that finds wrongful execution intolerable and are prepared to pay to avoid that.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

You don’t ‘disagree with any of that’ because you can’t. It is irrefutable.

Others in all Parties will ‘get the same amount of fury’, if and when it happens, BUT...what is happening NOW is what matters and, as I hope even you won’t attempt to deny, this is one area where the Tories have a very significant lead.

Sith...I can recall lots of political scandals but never one after the other, day in day out like this lot...and Starmer was found to be innocent because they had followed the rules. Simple as that.

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Yeah that was my point, the mail ran the story on repeat for weeks trying to get it to stick. The only thing that didn't add up was the account of Angela Rayners attendance, she wasnt there, are you sure, yes, you really sure...erm oh yeah she was.

I can see what Tricky means with Lee Rigbys killers and more where there is no doubt, but you could argue there should be no doubt for anyone being locked up, so no doubt = death penalty? Or does it rely on video evidence etc etc.

I am sure lots of us have been so horrified by a crime that your thought is the guilty party doesnt deserve to live, Ian Huntley, i cant event imagine what those girls went through and it must have been horrific for them to know it was murder before any bodies were found, and no details have ever been released, but you know deep down you cant just start for the very reasons stated, what if someone is killed who is innocent as MA says.

Of course if someone close to me was murdered my view might be somewhat different.

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

That's not the way Laws work and you know it. If there's a death penalty for murder then everybody facing murder charges could be executed if that was the verdict handed down.

One person wrongly executed is two too many, IMO. If there's a way to ensure that no innocent person ever gets executed, I'd be with you. However, it's simply not possible so Capital Punishment is a no no.

Not just for the sake of those wrongly executed. When we had the death penalty, the jury could recommend it as the punishment. Take the following scenario. A person gets found guilty of murder. The jury recommends the death penalty. The Judge agrees. The execution is carried out. The following year another person is arrested for several murders and admits to the one someone has been executed for. They give details of the murder that only the perpetrator could know and also gives up the location of the, so far, undiscovered body which is found exactly where they said it would be.

Someone has been executed for a crime they didn't commit. That's bad. A shame we can't make amends. Now, think of the anguish of family and friends of the person wrongly executed. Many lives, wrongly, blighted. Then there's the 12 people who who found the first suspect guilty and recommended having them killed. They would be devastated.

That's a lot of lives in turmoil for no other reason than your lust for "justice", for "blood".

Can never be released so why pay for them? Because we pretend to be a civilised society that finds wrongful execution intolerable and are prepared to pay to avoid that.

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Where's that like button

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

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I’m not being selective. I just happen to be talking about the Party of Government for the last (very nearly) 13 years.
Go ahead...the floor is all yours. Make your list but remember we’re talking about now...NOT history.
All my examples are from the last couple of years. Broaden it if that helps...make it since the time Johnson took over as leader - and exemplar - of the current Conservative Party and, in the interests of fairness - as I did - let’s stick to one Party at a time please.

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how the feck does that work?
Anything you quoted is in the past.
Anything I quote is in the past.

The point is and you hit the nail on the head. Every time the Tories **** up, you jump on it. Absolutely fine and correct. But when it's another party, you either say nowt or play it down?
That I'm afraid is very hypocritical and your obvious bias is white washing a bigger problem.

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

how the feck does that work?
Anything you quoted is in the past.
Anything I quote is in the past.

The point is and you hit the nail on the head. Every time the Tories **** up, you jump on it. Absolutely fine and correct. But when it's another party, you either say nowt or play it down?
That I'm afraid is very hypocritical and your obvious bias is white washing a bigger problem.

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Bit desperate that Tricky. How’s that list of yours going?