OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Spot on, people totally miss the point, the railways are virtually untouched since victorian times, the point of a new high speed link is that long distance passenger traffic will use the new route and free up capacity on the existing routes there is no practical alternative, but as usual people cannot see the long term benefits.

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When you think about it, having another track will more than double the existing capacity. Atm, they have to plan for express trains to overtake slow trains where there are multiple tracks, such as major stations. If all of the trains on both the current track and the hs2 tracks are going at the same speed, then far more trains will be able to operate safely, just like the London underground.

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Originally Posted by roger_ramjet

Interesting....I thought the dual nationality thing with EU countries was one of the things that would go with Brexit? Better find me a Romanian girl to secure my EU retiement bolthole in the sun....or maybe Transylvanian twilight

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No dual nationality has nothing to do with Brexit, if you qualify for a passport with another country, then you qualify, whether your american, belgian, dutch, Irish it makes no difference.

Brexit just means its worth getting both passports, whereas when we were in the Eu, if you were had dual nationality iwth 2 Eu countries it didn't matter.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Pas vraiment Monsieur Belierjet.

I suspect it had more to do with being the ‘language’ of middle class teachers in the sixties.

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Oops...sorry, reply intended for MA not RR. Lost in translation...as I frequently am.

I had that one sussed RA so the rest must have as well ;)

Oh the Brexit crap rolls in - Gove saying that in this parliament (before 2022) the money the Uk would otherwise have paid to the EU will go to schools, homes and the NHS, in direct contradiction to the governments own plans (of which he is a member) outlined in the last budget which assumed that when contributions to the EU end, the demand from replacements for Eu programmes such as farm subsidies will swallow up all this cash. Thats not taking into account the costs of new customs procedures, setting up and running new bodies to cover regulations for various sectors, never mind the possibility of billions lost in growth!

An interesting fact £160 million a week Uk pays to Eu now

under the deal struck that will be £170 million per week for at least 4 years after Brexit - think the savings are going to be a long time coming!

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Oh the Brexit crap rolls in - Gove saying that in this parliament (before 2022) the money the Uk would otherwise have paid to the EU will go to schools, homes and the NHS, in direct contradiction to the governments own plans (of which he is a member) outlined in the last budget which assumed that when contributions to the EU end, the demand from replacements for Eu programmes such as farm subsidies will swallow up all this cash. Thats not taking into account the costs of new customs procedures, setting up and running new bodies to cover regulations for various sectors, never mind the possibility of billions lost in growth!

An interesting fact £160 million a week Uk pays to Eu now

under the deal struck that will be £170 million per week for at least 4 years after Brexit - think the savings are going to be a long time coming!

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by your numbers that would be 4 years and 91 days, even quicker than I calculated!

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

by your numbers that would be 4 years and 91 days, even quicker than I calculated!

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Eh 4 years post 2019, is over 5 years from now and Your kind of ignoring the other costs that the Uk will be paying to set up and run activities, bodies, costs currently not required or are paid for by the EU which by the governments own reckoning is not going to leave a lot of spare cash, doesn't look like we are going to see much if any of that £350 million!

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Eh 4 years post 2019, is over 5 years from now and Your kind of ignoring the other costs that the Uk will be paying to set up and run activities, bodies, costs currently not required or are paid for by the EU which by the governments own reckoning is not going to leave a lot of spare cash, doesn't look like we are going to see much if any of that £350 million!

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Not ignoring it Swale, just stirring up a discussion. No-one knows for sure do they? I could push the latest CBI report which shows healthy growth in Manufacturing and to my old fashioned mind I want us to be pumping widgets for our national benefit, not skinny lattes or *******s

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Originally Posted by swaledale

An interesting fact £160 million a week Uk pays to Eu now

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That is the net figure after you deduct Maggie's rebate and the subsidies and grants we get out of the roughly £350M we pay in.

I'm hoping that the money currently returned in the form of subsides and grants, is better spent under our own control.

In my experience, I see EU grants being wasted on undeserving cases and /or having stupid conditions.