The seed as been sown

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Originally Posted by lbj

There's a lot of information so far but I have followed everything and think this season was well documented.

NW was offered a contract to stay.

NW said that he would be staying for the wrong reasons and the club needed to plant roots with a long term plan - with youth at it's core (as potential resources)

NW messed us about and AS came in with project manual called 'PLATTING WATTER'

AS was the chosen project manager of
"PLATTING WATTER" - with a budget for players and a remit to stabilise the club within the championship.

AS - and experienced coach and Premier league player - quickly diagnosed our squad and bought players to play a certain way - a long established system that allows lesser teams A CHANCE to beat better team with better players.

THIS WOULD BE THE CASE 95% OF THE TIME....so the AS STRATEGY WAS A GOOD ONE!

NW Put us back a few essential weeks but a steady stream of good players
( within budget ) arrived.

The system of play was as BURNLEY - to concede possession and strike on the break -

Initially the team didn't get it and conceded goals - but latterly we lost to the odd goals and scored goals - the Huddersfield goal a perfect counter attacking goal.

AS was let down by individual errors beyond belief - and referees errors like blatant handball v Huddersfield / penalties v Forest.

The Huddersfield and Newcastle performances were extraordinary and the Newcastle manager sang our praises.

The bad apples had been isolated
( players ) and players tried and tested in a variety of positions ( on MM described as square pegs in round holes ) but it's what good manager do !

KJ will do the same !

But AS was getting there - and long term players from previous managers identified as GONE come January.

I believe playing as we did v Newcastle we would have beaten Reading and PNE.....but TS panicked and cancelled project PLATTING WATTER.

Now we start again....but KJ will ( in my opinion ) park the bus ( as per AS's "system" ) and play 4 - 5 - 1 twin ranks - not pressing high and conceding possession....as Liverpool v Burnley.

The majority of the above is simple history. The rest is basic tactics for the "underdog"..

Play that way and we'll claw it back BARRING INDIVIDUAL ERRORS FROM THE SENIOR BAD APPLES.

Just my opinion.

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This is exactly what was happening / had happened.......inside Stubbs' head. Sadly however, the players he signed were massively shy of the quality required. Coupled with that, his aloof approach alienated the fans and failed to create the passion required to give the underdogs the chance.

I'm also led to understand that Stubbs openly said to some people connected to the game that he realised once he had arrived that he had made a mistake. His hearts was never in the role....which came across quite clearly.

I think NW was sincere - we did need a longer term plan.....and that was not him.

Another season with NW and we'd be in same state....so I think he was thinking hat was best for the club...

I don't know if anybody takes notice of my posts. But I said at the time Warnock is a blade. There was no way he would have become our full time manager.

Back to the topic the seeds were well sown by Stubbs. Rank bad signings. As anyone of them improved the side. Fisher if he got his head out of the clouds perhaps. Odemwingie looks best signing easily. Signed by Kenny Jackett. Summed up by the signing of Blackstock. Know Stubbs signed him but somebody sanctioned it. Whoever it was should not be at this club. 3 year deal for a player who was pensioned off by Forest along with Wilson. Collins year before, didn't we learn. Whoever gave the ok for these deals should not be at the club. Then loan players Adeyemi, send him back never fit. JFC, Allen nowhere near championship players. Fry & Brown might be's but not for a struggling side. Couldn't write it. Which idiot is saying Stubbs was a manager.

Best signing Stubbs has made is Taylor who will be good in league 1 next year. Izzy is a good signing but wont now fit into our style of play under KJ. Think Odemwingie will be good but he will only be here till Jan then somebody like Warnock will snap him up. Adeyemi? Could be ok but not convinced he will ever be fit. The rest are piss poor signings,

So thanks a lot Mr Stubbs and whoever sanctioned the dross.

Has anyone thought of organising a preyer meeting.....

I know my faith in professional footballers has taken a mighty kicking this year particularly. Some of the schoolboy errors - simple spacial awareness of opponents players has left me astounded. Not seeing easy passes.

And by no means AS players only.

But I still believe that a well drilled defence playing the Burnley way ( fed up describing twin ranks...blah blah blah )
Has to be the way forward.

And AS set up like this....yes he did and people said we were too deep....yes they were...They didn't get it in those early games - but he team did give better performances v Huddersfield & Newcastle - using this "system"

It's the fact that pro footballers can't do the basics kills me.

Wilson - that easy long ball - trying to run it out of play - lost it - goal for blackburn.

Halford - poor control v Birmingham passing the ball into the attackers path then chasing him all the way to score.

Halford "flick" against Birmingham then Ball trying to shield the ball back out of play - getting caught and Campy giving away a stupid penalty.

No matter what stories come out about AS - he must have been shaking his head in disbelief at his players costing points through pure stupidity.

KJ has the throw / kick that hairdryer because at the end of the day 'STUBBSY" couldn't kick the ball for them - neither than Mr Jacket.....the players got us into this mess - no one else - and now they need to earn their money and get us out of this mess.

UTM

Prayer? How stupid of me? IBJ? Of course its IBS in another guise! I would guess the J stands for something like junior. Welcome back to the fold owd lad. You did have me fooled to be fair.

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Originally Posted by rolymiller

Prayer? How stupid of me? IBJ? Of course its IBS in another guise! I would guess the J stands for something like junior. Welcome back to the fold owd lad. You did have me fooled to be fair.

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Don't think so. IBS is articulate 😀

"JUNIOR".....I wish....

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Originally Posted by lbj

There's a lot of
information so far but I have followed everything and think this season was well documented.

NW was offered a contract to stay.

NW said that he would be staying for the wrong reasons and the club needed to plant roots with a long term plan - with youth at it's core (as potential resources)

NW messed us about and AS came in with project manual called 'PLATTING WATTER'

AS was the chosen project manager of
"PLATTING WATTER" - with a budget for players and a remit to stabilise the club within the championship.

AS - and experienced coach and Premier league player - quickly diagnosed our squad and bought players to play a certain way - a long established system that allows lesser teams A CHANCE to beat better team with better players.

THIS WOULD BE THE CASE 95% OF THE TIME....so the AS STRATEGY WAS A GOOD ONE!

NW Put us back a few essential weeks but a steady stream of good players
( within budget ) arrived.

The system of play was as BURNLEY - to concede possession and strike on the break -

Initially the team didn't get it and conceded goals - but latterly we lost to the odd goals and scored goals - the Huddersfield goal a perfect counter attacking goal.

AS was let down by individual errors beyond belief - and referees errors like blatant handball v Huddersfield / penalties v Forest.

The Huddersfield and Newcastle performances were extraordinary and the Newcastle manager sang our praises.

The bad apples had been isolated
( players ) and players tried and tested in a variety of positions ( on MM described as square pegs in round holes ) but it's what good manager do !

KJ will do the same !

But AS was getting there - and long term players from previous managers identified as GONE come January.

I believe playing as we did v Newcastle we would have beaten Reading and PNE.....but TS panicked and cancelled project PLATTING WATTER.

Now we start again....but KJ will ( in my opinion ) park the bus ( as per AS's "system" ) and play 4 - 5 - 1 twin ranks - not pressing high and conceding possession....as Liverpool v Burnley.

The majority of the above is simple history. The rest is basic tactics for the "underdog"..

Play that way and we'll claw it back BARRING INDIVIDUAL ERRORS FROM THE SENIOR BAD APPLES.

Just my opinion.

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Surely cant be allowed..are you sure you haven't been bit by a dog abroad or something?

Funny you should say that - I did chase a car up the street yesterday......BUT NOT FAR...KNEES HAVE GONE!

MILLA - Football is about opinions and people see different things....you only have to check out the M O M awards sometimes.

Players should be compliant to the managers demands and I believe some of the senior players just arn't "flexible" enough......KJ must remove dead wood and hopefully just survive this season but I doubt that now....total rebuild required.