when will rafas plan start to work

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Originally Posted by michaelowen

What the **** pboro and ghost? 2 defeats and you want him out? Its not like weve been schooled or ****ted 4 or 5 nil. ****ing get a grip. Oh and try to remember all the way back to our last few managers. Its no wonder people call our fans deluded when they hear these kind of mutterings from the fifth collumist few. Like i said, get a grip and put it into perspective.

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it aint 2 defeats you clown its the way we are playing

some think rafa has started to sort the defence out (amazing what you read in the kronikle)

yet we have only kept 2 clean sheets under him this season maybe 3

weare getting beaten by the likes of huddersfield bournemaouth,brighton,etc

if rafa is so great when will his master pan start to work ???

if this was fat sam,houghton or any other manager we would be calling for a replacment

yet every idiot thinks rafa has a master plan

well if he does when will it start to kick in

wnen will we see a positive goal differance

when will we see positive footy
when will we be entertained

because under rafa we aint seen any of that

and in the past
that has been a definate requireent of any toon manager

Well he played 2 up top and was more adventurous yesterday and it showed particularly in the first half hour. We scored, but it was wrongly called offside. It would have been a game changer as they clearly came for a point and would have had to open up more thus leaving gaps. Our forward options are limited. Yes he bought Murphy and in hindsight that £12 million should have gone with the £5 million spent on Joselu for a better quality striker, but if Ashley had given more money to strengthen then im sure we could be more expansive.

Tbh I wish we had kept Daryl Murphy. For the money we sold him for, in my opinion he would have been a better option than Mitro or Joselu as he would have been able to hold the ball up and wasn't afraid to have a shot.

Not just saying it to argue against you but I've definitely been entertained at times this season. No, I agree, we're not set up to attack and at times it's definitely not good to watch.

But the picture is definitely not as bleak as you make out. There have been times when our slick one-touch passing has been the equal of anything we've seen over the years. There was a move that cut them open on their left yesterday and ended with Shelvey firing narrowly (ish :D ) over which wouldn't have looked out of place had it been Man City. Match of the Day highlighted some of our passing like this the other week with Martin Keown actually saying "remember, this isn't Man City we're watching".

Yes, I do think we're over-cautious at home but at the same time, Rafa is working with a limited squad who were playing Burton and Barnsley this time last season-we go too gung-ho and we'll get turned over big-style.

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Originally Posted by pboromag

if rafa is so great when will his master pan start to work ???

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When he gets the right ingredients for his paella. :D

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Originally Posted by michaelowen

What the **** pboro and ghost? 2 defeats and you want him out? Its not like weve been schooled or ****ted 4 or 5 nil. ****ing get a grip. Oh and try to remember all the way back to our last few managers. Its no wonder people call our fans deluded when they hear these kind of mutterings from the fifth collumist few. Like i said, get a grip and put it into perspective.

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I used to spend an awful amount of time trying to push a positive from a mound of negatives once upon a short time ago.
I'm seeing far too many negatives for our manager to even bring myself to fight for a few positives, such is his mindset on this set up.

I shouldn't have to be grateful we're not getting beat 4 or 5 nothing and being happy with a 1 nothing defeat or a scraped draw or win that provides us with next to zero entertainment and many head scratching substitutions when trying to claw back a goal after going behind by spending the majority of the game defending like lunatics.

We all argue that our strikers are sub standard but I disagree.
they're not the best by any stretch but for me they're not even worked on to do the job of being a striker because we're set up as a ultra cautious unit 90% of the time.

If people want to suffer this type of football because they feel they don't want to hurt Rafa's feelings by letting him know it's mind numbingly boring and getting counter productive, then so be it but I know fans will only take so much more of this before they implode and explode onto Rafa and co.

I want rid of him but I'll sit back and hope he somehow changes his mindset on what he has available and how he sets us up.
I won't hold my breath and I'm fairly sure that the way he's got us playing will leave us in the mire.
I dread to think he gets hold of big cash to squander on better quality negativity that reaps the same results.

I'm getting beyond frustrated. I'm getting bored.

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Originally Posted by Zippity

Not just saying it to argue against you but I've definitely been entertained at times this season. No, I agree, we're not set up to attack and at times it's definitely not good to watch.

But the picture is definitely not as bleak as you make out. There have been times when our slick one-touch passing has been the equal of anything we've seen over the years. There was a move that cut them open on their left yesterday and ended with Shelvey firing narrowly (ish :D ) over which wouldn't have looked out of place had it been Man City. Match of the Day highlighted some of our passing like this the other week with Martin Keown actually saying "remember, this isn't Man City we're watching".

Yes, I do think we're over-cautious at home but at the same time, Rafa is working with a limited squad who were playing Burton and Barnsley this time last season-we go too gung-ho and we'll get turned over big-style.

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This is the issue.
We do have a team that's capable and although not at the top end, obviously...it is capable of being balanced out and giving us entertaining football with positive end results in many games and the obvious aris kickings in some.
It's what I ask for. To be entertained by this team that's clearly capable of which you highlighted in the slick passing at times and some decent end results that are just lacking a bit of extra edge.
Imagine if he set the team up to have a real go when necessary?

We just seem to go out and shout to the opposition " come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" from a defensive mindset whilst the opposition say " thanks, we'll keep trying to batter down your door, until we do."

What we should be doing is equally asking the same questions of their defence at every opportunity by working on that mindset in training.
It's clear that the attacking mindset is an after thought on that training pitch.

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Originally Posted by pboromag

some armchairs seem to think that rafa is working to a plan
sorting the defence out blah de blah

some even think they are great tacticians and number threads from the kronikle

and try and tell us how the great rafa is working on the defencce
hence the dire negative footy

well isnt it about time it started to wrork
this great master plan that some think rafa has

im sure we have conceded in more games than we have kept a clean sheet
in fact from memory im sure we have only kept 2 maybe 3 clean sheets this season

yet again rafa was out thought by a young manager who doesnt get invited to best pals does and get voted in the top 10 influential managers awards

first half was 50 -50 second half they out thought us out witted us out played us and showed they could change as the game went on
under rafa

nothing


once they had worked us out they changed
at no point from then did rafa have the noce to get back on top

the boos at the ed of the game proved my point

are the match going fans turning ?????


the reason we have a negative goal differance is because we play negative footy
and we aint very good at doing that

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Our defence has been solid we have conceded very little this season compared to when we had pardew where we would of conceded 4-5 goals in most defeats and we had a much better team then

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Originally Posted by Nufc204mag

Our defence has been solid we have conceded very little this season compared to when we had pardew where we would of conceded 4-5 goals in most defeats and we had a much better team then

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It's been lucky if the truth be known.

Tbh, Rafa's working with what he's got (the issue of why he's got what he's got is unhelpful to the discussion of what he's doing with them). I think with better attackers we'd do more attacking. I know that sounds obvious but Rafa will be more aware than any of us how poor Joselu and Perez are as an attacking force. He picks them but only because there's no-one else to fit his system. I don't for one second think he's under any illusions about how shit our £5 million 'striker' is.

As I say, the issue of why the team is short of attacking quality is moot...Rafa is working with what he has and attack is where we are weakest, hence that's the weakest part of our game.

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Originally Posted by Zippity

Tbh, Rafa's working with what he's got (the issue of why he's got what he's got is unhelpful to the discussion of what he's doing with them). I think with better attackers we'd do more attacking. I know that sounds obvious but Rafa will be more aware than any of us how poor Joselu and Perez are as an attacking force. He picks them but only because there's no-one else to fit his system. I don't for one second think he's under any illusions about how shit our £5 million 'striker' is.

As I say, the issue of why the team is short of attacking quality is moot...Rafa is working with what he has and attack is where we are weakest, hence that's the weakest part of our game.

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And it's as simple as you have stated it but the only people who are too dense see it are a couple on here and of course Ashley.