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Originally Posted by jdfc

What would be the point in getting a goal scorer if we don’t get the ball to him, down the wings was shocking yesterday, no over lapping runs, no decent balls into the middle, to much tippy tippy shyte, no end product, system has to change or we’re going down

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Have you been watching Dundee this season & last ? The amount of times our so called strikers that have been given chances and phucked them up is incredible ?
Or are you just being obtuse again XD

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Originally Posted by ProvieRd

That’s not true, only on current set of circumstances. The problem is nobody is fighting or questioning these decisions. The club isn’t battling back against it, in fact I feel the club hides behind external bodies in an attempt to keep everyone quiet.
The excuses about derry.....turnstiles are old and there are no parts. True - solution is today there are cheaper and better turnstiles than replacing relics. The stairs - yes they need some work but the stadium is sponsored by a ****ing construction company! Jesus it can’t be hard to find a low cost solution if there is a will surely?
The non seated area - some standing barriers and it could be a standing area. This isn’t a 20,000 capacity stand with crush issues. For people who’d like to stand there the weather doesn’t matter, it was always popular and Dundee’s weather isn’t worse now than when we all grew up.
The stadium manager doesn’t relate to young lads getting behind their team, he doesn’t call it the Derry and he certainly won’t do anything to make the above possible. The soul of our club is dying, the atmosphere is ****. One of the reasons is we don’t deep down actually like sanitised football. We are a rough city with guys who like a beer, a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates. There are nearly 10,000 other seats at Dens if the Derry isn’t for you, why can’t it be possible to make a space for traditional football fans?
Only club I know who seems hell bent on being unsupported!!

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This is basically how I feel.

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Originally Posted by ProvieRd

The club does cater for all kinds of people, as I said there are 10,000 seats for the sanitized version of football.
I can’t recall seeing anywhere that the police and licensing authorities want to close the Caird Hall, yet crushing and craziness happens at lots of concerts there. It’s an anti football mentality that prevails in the council, with the police and we don’t defend it.
I would quite like a teetotal area, I don’t drink at football myself I go with my daughter. I was trying to point out where other people might like to go, rather than what I’d personally like. I’ve had dozens of conversations with the stadium manager so feel positioned to judge how he sees the youngsters in the Derry. They only bent over backwards to keep it open for the revenue, not because they had any clue why people like being over there.
The Dundee you describe is for the middle classes, many Dundonians won’t set foot in the V&A for example, with almost no improvement to their own living standards and it’s nice and cosy to package the city centre improvements but our football is being killed because working class people can’t afford to go, nobody sticks up for them or helps them come to dens. Our club is more interested in high ticket prices for old firm games, than finding a sustainable way to bring people to see their team. The Derry and lack of care for it, the people in it it’s **** run down state are a manifestation of the approach.
And if you really want to back the stadium manager perhaps you could ask why he’s said in the past it would be better off closed as it’s a pain in the arse.

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I'm backing the Stadium Manager as what he and Nelms did to keep The Derry open was for the good of the club and fans whether it was for revenue reasons or history / passion reasons.

Where was the comment about it being a pain in the arse made? I don't remember hearing or reading that.

How many people attend a typical event at the Caird Hall?

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Originally Posted by Deeranged

Where was the comment about it being a pain in the arse made? I don't remember hearing or reading that.

How many people attend a typical event at the Caird Hall?

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In discussions several times, why would you, you weren’t there?

Max 2,300 in Caird Hall which is 50% more than the Derry

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Originally Posted by Deeranged

I've seen the paperwork and I've seen the videos that the police showed the licensing authorities when they were demanding that it was to be shut down - scary videos by the way - and I can assure you it's true. Significant crush and trampling issues were highlighted and the potential for serious injury or even worse was there. The man you're whinging about, along with John Nelms, bent over backwards to find, propose and implement a solution that the police and licensing committee would accept. It cost a lot of money to do the work required at that time and to be honest I'd rather that money had been spent re-opening the Derry stairs but what would have been the point if the place was being closed down?

The Stadium Manager relates to safety, he doesn't have to relate to young lads he just has to keep them safe whilst in the stadium.

I agree the soul of the club is dying, but that's down to the ****e being served up on the park as much as any area being singled out and sanitised.

A lot of work would need to be done to re-open the uncovered area. What would happen if it absolutely pi55ed it down in a game? If I remember correctly the people who liked to stand there back in the day (I loved it in the summer) used to go under cover when it rained. That wouldn't be possible now with match and season tickets having allocated seats.

'We are a rough city with guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates'. Disagree mostly with that, we're a city trying to pull itself into this century and whilst I agree you're absolutely right that there are some that fit neatly into your stereotype there are many, many more that don't. The club needs to cater for all types of people and for me it would be wrong to have a 'guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates' only area. Would you also have an area set aside specifically for tee totallers who like a shout at the football and a laugh with their mates? Where does it end?

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Have you ever been in a crush situation Deeranged?

I have but i haven't seen it happening in the Derry.

The most respected and Nelms may have bent over backwards to please the police and council but let the support down.

They shud be very much in touch with our younger fans, they arnae and never will be.

Every other club encourages a noisey younger support, not us we stick a polis block next to them then harass them into and out the stadium till they just think **** this and don't come back.

The most respected is good for virtue signalling but clean, tidy, safe stadium with a passionate atmosphere?.....move along **** all to see here.

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

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Originally Posted by Deeranged

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

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The stadium manager has said it many times, whether you believe it or not.

Question - if you can’t take one part of the ground in isolation why is it the Derry always targeted in these safety discussions?

The Shankly on Celtic Boxing Day, stewards and police withdrawn. **** themselves, no closure threat

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Originally Posted by Deeranged

I've seen the paperwork and I've seen the videos that the police showed the licensing authorities when they were demanding that it was to be shut down - scary videos by the way - and I can assure you it's true. Significant crush and trampling issues were highlighted and the potential for serious injury or even worse was there. The man you're whinging about, along with John Nelms, bent over backwards to find, propose and implement a solution that the police and licensing committee would accept. It cost a lot of money to do the work required at that time and to be honest I'd rather that money had been spent re-opening the Derry stairs but what would have been the point if the place was being closed down?

The Stadium Manager relates to safety, he doesn't have to relate to young lads he just has to keep them safe whilst in the stadium.

I agree the soul of the club is dying, but that's down to the ****e being served up on the park as much as any area being singled out and sanitised.

A lot of work would need to be done to re-open the uncovered area. What would happen if it absolutely pi55ed it down in a game? If I remember correctly the people who liked to stand there back in the day (I loved it in the summer) used to go under cover when it rained. That wouldn't be possible now with match and season tickets having allocated seats.

'We are a rough city with guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates'. Disagree mostly with that, we're a city trying to pull itself into this century and whilst I agree you're absolutely right that there are some that fit neatly into your stereotype there are many, many more that don't. The club needs to cater for all types of people and for me it would be wrong to have a 'guys who like a beer. a shout at the football and a laugh with our mates' only area. Would you also have an area set aside specifically for tee totallers who like a shout at the football and a laugh with their mates? Where does it end?

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This country must be a laughing stock with the rest of Europe when it comes to Health and Safety, absolute do gooders withnothing better to do...we used to have about 200-300 young boys in that corner, lucky if theres30-40 there on Saturday, the board the stadium manager and the club in general wont have any fans to "protect" if this carries on...

All ticket games v motherwell you coudnt make it up.

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Originally Posted by Deeranged

I've had plenty discussions with the Stadium Manager and with John Nelms, neither has ever intimated that they feel any part of the ground is a pain in the arse - except The Shankly when our west of Scotland friends come calling.

Caird Hall has several exits into a large concourse that dissipates the pressure as people leave. The Derry used to have one exit point that most people used to head for, you now have to enter / exit through one of I think three doors at the back which speeds up entry and egress and prevents a large pressure of people trying to get out through one point. You also can't take one part of the ground in isolation; the club has four stands to get normally around 5,000 but sometimes as many as 10,000 people into and out of safely.

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Your aff your nut if you think getting in an pot the Derry is quicker now.

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Originally Posted by Returnofrros

Have you ever been in a crush situation Deeranged?

I have but i haven't seen it happening in the Derry.

The most respected and Nelms may have bent over backwards to please the police and council but let the support down.

They shud be very much in touch with our younger fans, they arnae and never will be.

Every other club encourages a noisey younger support, not us we stick a polis block next to them then harass them into and out the stadium till they just think **** this and don't come back.

The most respected is good for virtue signalling but clean, tidy, safe stadium with a passionate atmosphere?.....move along **** all to see here.

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Same as you, I've been in crushes but never in The Derry. The old Provie exit was great for it, as a bairn you just lifted your legs and got carried along by the crowd. Safe? Nope. We live in a H&S age that encourages people to sue over the slightest breach. Club needs to assess the risk and reduce it to ALARP. I sat in The Coxy on the night of the DAB game where the crowd surged toward the DAB fans when we scored, looked awesome but found out people were injured / trampled during the surges so there has been incidents in The Derry.

They didn't 'please' the police and council they addressed legitimate police safety concerns that the council were asked to look at.

They let the fans down by doing what they needed to do in order to keep The Derry open and make sure the fans had their favourite place to sit? Pair o' *******s eh?

To be fair the areas that some clubs have specifically set aside for younger, noisier fans tend to be minters, look at the fermers and Motherwell areas; DABs tried it too, realised it was a minter and pulled the plug.

Parts of Dens are a tip no denying that, unfortunately the place just is not up to the H&S requirements of a modern football stadium.