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About 15 years ago I was lucky enough to have an employer who paid for me to do a degree in environmental management. As you can imagine climate change, global warming and pollution were studied at great length and as much as I agree that it is important to challenge narratives when researching anything I have to say that the scientific evidence I researched during that time left me in no doubt whatsoever that climate change is real.
Fair do's ncf, what's the solution please?Quote:
Originally Posted by ncfcog
Something more credible answer wise, than the French loving idiot would help.
Okay you want incontrovertible proof? Read 'This changes everything' - Naomi Klein.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagpieTony
NOTHING - not Brexit nor Syria - is more important than the world facing up to ciimate change. Tony is a flat earther
Just a quick one, what do you make of the wikileaks saudi cables and the kingdom of saudi being sued via lawsuit by 9/11 victim survivors and families (despite the KSA objecting and trying to pull the plug)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainBalrog
Are these "objectionable" ?
sources,
https://www.wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/press
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/754356119607341056
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-judge-rules/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allege...ber_11_attacks
Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy solution which is why Tony's post has some credibility only in that it confirms the global superpowers cannot accept it as real because the consequences of tackling climate change head on would have a devastating affect on the global economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds
Much is being done to reduce the earths exposure and maintain some kind of economic counterbalance, renewable energies being a prime example of that. The burning of fossil fuels is one of the biggest contributors to global warming. The pollutants released from the burning of fossil fuels over the past 200 years have been punching great big holes in the ozone layer which is there to protect us from the suns harmful rays. In some cases the ozone layer is actually doing it's job but too well and reflecting these harmful pollutants back down to earth causing what you will know as the greenhouse effect.
If you can come up with/invent a product that is carbon neutral the government here will chuck thousands at you to help you develop it.
Remember when we all thought we had to use recycled paper? Well we soon realised that the pollution created by the recycling plants was more harmful than chopping down trees which is why now we have more managed forests and less recycling plants.
To be honest it took me 3 years to get my degree and I don't think I have the time or space on here to give you a definitive answer!
I'm sure there are many on this forum who will be able to post much better info, data and statistics than I have given here but the fact remains climate change is a reality.
Some of the people in that video (I'm only 1/3 of the way through it) are Professors, have Doctorates, did more than just a degree. I don't think any one of them is disputing that the climate is changing. The facts are readily available for anyone to see. The climate is always changing, it has since the beginning of time. We've had warm periods, ice ages, been hit by objects from outer space.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncfcog
The big question is what is driving the climate change and the correlations are not matching what the populists are saying. That means we are either wringing our hands at the wrong question, wasting manpower and resources, depriving the poor of advancement, a whole host of things. We may be powerless to do anything because it is little to do with what we are doing so we are just causing harm in the same way that panic over ***ushima caused more harm than the reactor itself.
We seem to be running into an era of fake news where any popular story just builds up its own momentum and objective criticism is bullied out to the edges. It is now proposed to not connect new builds to the gas mains, sounds as dumb to me as everyone should go out and buy a diesel policy (something professional engineers would never have proposed)
Just give me the facts, the correlations and not the suppositions. Thanks.
I don’t think climate change is denied, the problem is what’s causing it. The governments say CO2, the video says the sun, it’s happened before and it’ll happen again. Who to believe? My money’s on the sun, I’ve always thought the Earth was too big to be affected in such a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncfcog
I personally, think it's a combination of the two.
Yes the climate is always changing. But mankind isn't helping matters.
The raw fact of it is this. The earth is over populated and churning out more harmful crap in it's drive to supply.
The two biggest polluters India/China have massive populations and are still growing fast, along with Africa,
Resultant- ever more pollution and migration seeking a slice of the pie.
Where does it end?
Ultimately, we start killing each other again as areas of land dry up and temperatures become un bearable.
Forget gold, fresh water will be a commodity soon.
I’ve always thought the Earth was too big to be affected in such a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaxtonLad
Until you said that I had always considered you one of the most intelligent posters on here, Laxative, even though I often disagree with you.
Your definitions of 'too big' and 'short time' need a desperate rethink.
Another one. Please please read Naomi Klein's book. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will.
And if TTR is reading, Klein offers solutions too. A classic environment manual.
I think you'll find that taking on board history the biggest polluter bar none is right where we're standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds