Cengiz

No one needs to shut up about human rights nor our football club. New owners are coming in, naturally we are debating to which degree we feel we can support them.

Like Benny said, the keyword here is conflict. I'm not against the takeover at all, and have found peace with the fact that politics, power and money are integrated deeply with football, and there is nothing we can do about that until the proper legislation comes around. Which I don't think it will for a long, long time. As fans, it is our job to try and separate these things and I am intent on doing that.

Surely, as much as everyone hates Ashley, we all recognize there is a difference between being a dodgy, cheap businessman to being one of the richest, most poweful people on the planet, who can even order the murder of a critic and get away with it in broad daylight, so to speak. As much as Kashoggi seems to have had a dodgy past, that murder is the closest thing I've seen to fascism in some time.

However, we are not just simply comparing the two; we are comparing them connected to our club. In that case, Ashley is by far the worse alternative. And we need change.

I have been surprised at how many fans have been willing to actually portray MSB as a "good guy" or at least not as bad as the press has made out. What is the point? We know who he is, what he has done and all research will tell you that he's a powerfreak and a killer. It's silly to all of a sudden start believing conspiracies and this type of thing in order to defend the takeover IMO. Instead it's wiser to separate these things and realise that the world is not as black 'n white as we would like it to be sometimes.

MSB might come to own our club, but he is not the club. We are the club and it is insane to suggest that we should stop supporting it just because of this guy. We couldn't even if we wanted to.

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Originally Posted by HughieG

No one needs to shut up about human rights nor our football club. New owners are coming in, naturally we are debating to which degree we feel we can support them.

Like Benny said, the keyword here is conflict. I'm not against the takeover at all, and have found peace with the fact that politics, power and money are integrated deeply with football, and there is nothing we can do about that until the proper legislation comes around. Which I don't think it will for a long, long time. As fans, it is our job to try and separate these things and I am intent on doing that.

Surely, as much as everyone hates Ashley, we all recognize there is a difference between being a dodgy, cheap businessman to being one of the richest, most poweful people on the planet, who can even order the murder of a critic and get away with it in broad daylight, so to speak. As much as Kashoggi seems to have had a dodgy past, that murder is the closest thing I've seen to fascism in some time.

However, we are not just simply comparing the two; we are comparing them connected to our club. In that case, Ashley is by far the worse alternative. And we need change.

I have been surprised at how many fans have been willing to actually portray MSB as a "good guy" or at least not as bad as the press has made out. What is the point? We know who he is, what he has done and all research will tell you that he's a powerfreak and a killer. It's silly to all of a sudden start believing conspiracies and this type of thing in order to defend the takeover IMO. Instead it's wiser to separate these things and realise that the world is not as black 'n white as we would like it to be sometimes.

MSB might come to own our club, but he is not the club. We are the club and it is insane to suggest that we should stop supporting it just because of this guy. We couldn't even if we wanted to.

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Very well said Hughie

She is going to be very busy now writing letters to all the companies PIF have bought shares in over the last few weeks objecting. I mean if PIF are the focus of her objections and not Newcastle United being bought by an enemy state of Qatar, seems fair to do that doesn't it.
It couldn't be that she is being encouraged by Qatar by any chance to write letters to the PL and our fans could it. Put up to it by Bein Sports, that would be disgusting on their part to use the woman for their benefit and even worse if she accepted payment to do so. I bet she hasn't even heard of Newcastle United or even knows what the Premier League was before being encouraged to write letters.

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Originally Posted by Geordie1974

She is going to be very busy now writing letters to all the companies PIF have bought shares in over the last few weeks objecting. I mean if PIF are the focus of her objections and not Newcastle United being bought by an enemy state of Qatar, seems fair to do that doesn't it.
It couldn't be that she is being encouraged by Qatar by any chance to write letters to the PL and our fans could it. Put up to it by Bein Sports, that would be disgusting on their part to use the woman for their benefit and even worse if she accepted payment to do so. I bet she hasn't even heard of Newcastle United or even knows what the Premier League was before being encouraged to write letters.

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I don’t doubt she has been encouraged to speak up by unscrupulous actors who have ulterior motives. Again it does not make what she is saying about the Saudis wrong.

Now you are implying that she is being paid to speak up? Well you are going to have to back that claim up with something other than that bull**** DailyBlitz propaganda as your source.

If someone murdered and dismembered my fiancé and a third party came to me saying we have a way we can stick it right up em......there would be no need for a financial incentive at all. Therefore for you to imply that she has taken one seems highly unlikely. Just seems like a way for you to sling mud at her.

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Originally Posted by BenArfa10

I don’t doubt she has been encouraged to speak up by unscrupulous actors who have ulterior motives. Again it does not make what she is saying about the Saudis wrong.

Now you are implying that she is being paid to speak up? Well you are going to have to back that claim up with something other than that bull**** DailyBlitz propaganda as your source.

If someone murdered and dismembered my fiancé and a third party came to me saying we have a way we can stick it right up em......there would be no need for a financial incentive at all. Therefore for you to imply that she has taken one seems highly unlikely. Just seems like a way for you to sling mud at her.

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Just my opinion and I am sticking to it. Do you not think its strange and coincidental with Qatari objections against the club and why Newcastle United and not the other investments. You are very self righteous if you ask me. Your opinion and yours only is the only one to be accepted.
I will sling mud at anyone that attacks my club thankyou very much. You put a post up about that Miguel Delaney the other day. Well your views and attitude are exactly the same.
I would have more respect for this woman if she was consistent and had written letters everywhere. You can't pick and choose if its your beliefs and crusade to enlighten the world to what had happened.

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Originally Posted by Geordie1974

Just my opinion and I am sticking to it. Do you not think its strange and coincidental with Qatari objections against the club and why Newcastle United and not the other investments. You are very self righteous if you ask me. Your opinion and yours only is the only one to be accepted.
I will sling mud at anyone that attacks my club thankyou very much. You put a post up about that Miguel Delaney the other day. Well your views and attitude are exactly the same.
I would have more respect for this woman if she was consistent and had written letters everywhere. You can't pick and choose if its your beliefs and crusade to enlighten the world to what had happened.

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Are you dense? Did you even read what I wrote? I DO NOT DOUBT THAT THE QATARIS CAJOLED HER INTO SPEAKING OUT ON THIS ISSUE. Is that clear enough for you?

Why has she not written letters to other companies? Again are you dense? The Premier League is one of the biggest brands on the planet and at the forefront of the public consciousness every weekend across the globe. Do you think some cruise line or events management company or record label occupy the same space as the Premier League? Stop being wilfully daft.

She’s attacking your club now is she? Again do you read? Have you actually read anything she has said? There you go again defaming her, first she’s a spy, then claiming she’s being paid money to speak up and now you outright lie by saying she is attacking the club when everyone who reads her words can clearly see she is doing no such thing! You’re disgraceful and no one needs a high horse to call you out on that. What will you claim next? That Khashoggi was never murdered?

I’m nothing like that Cnut Delaney. I’m not telling fans how they should feel or telling them to protest or how to protest or not to use #Cans hashtag. You’re really grasping at straws.

Here you jumped up little prick, don't start with the f uckin insults towards me. Just because I don't agree with what you say or what you think. Only the thick or dense as you put it resort to insults.
You are quite welcome to meet up for a pint on a matchday after lockdown and then see if your big enough to insult me face to face like you are on a message board. You self righteous little c unt, your nothing better.
And no, I don't read your sh1te but I haven't before now resulted to insult you.

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Originally Posted by Geordie1974

Here you jumped up little prick, don't start with the f uckin insults towards me. Just because I don't agree with what you say or what you think. Only the thick or dense as you put it resort to insults.
You are quite welcome to meet up for a pint on a matchday after lockdown and then see if your big enough to insult me face to face like you are on a message board. You self righteous little c unt, your nothing better.
And no, I don't read your sh1te but I haven't before now resulted to insult you.

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Really you’ve never insulted me? Another lie, why am I not surprised?

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Originally Posted by Geordie1974

Isn't it funny how not a word was said when it happened but now all the fake moral high grounds have increased, get to f uck man.

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What should I call some who repeatedly lies, and spreads conspiracy theories? Smart? A genius who thinks outside the box?

You’re a disgrace slinging mud at Cengiz like you are and I hope to God the rest of the football community don’t think you represent the views of the majority of Newcastle fans.

What Cengiz has written in her letters is not an attack on the club. By now I don’t expect you to read anything I say, even when I have agreed with you, you are still too ‘insert insult’ to read and comprehend it. However, I would expect you to actually have read the words of the woman you are defaming and slinging mud at. But clearly you’re BASIC!

I’m happy to meet up with you in person after a game for a pint and explain it to you in person.

There is no one else in this forum slinging mud at her like you. Plenty of them disagree with my views on the takeover and I have no problem with them. I have a problem with lies and defamatory conspiracy theories without a single shred of verifiable proof.

You’re on my ignore list now. I’m not wasting anymore energy on you.

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Originally Posted by BenArfa10

Are you dense? Did you even read what I wrote? I DO NOT DOUBT THAT THE QATARIS CAJOLED HER INTO SPEAKING OUT ON THIS ISSUE. Is that clear enough for you?

Why has she not written letters to other companies? Again are you dense? The Premier League is one of the biggest brands on the planet and at the forefront of the public consciousness every weekend across the globe. Do you think some cruise line or events management company or record label occupy the same space as the Premier League? Stop being wilfully daft.

She’s attacking your club now is she? Again do you read? Have you actually read anything she has said? There you go again defaming her, first she’s a spy, then claiming she’s being paid money to speak up and now you outright lie by saying she is attacking the club when everyone who reads her words can clearly see she is doing no such thing! You’re disgraceful and no one needs a high horse to call you out on that. What will you claim next? That Khashoggi was never murdered?

I’m nothing like that Cnut Delaney. I’m not telling fans how they should feel or telling them to protest or how to protest or not to use #Cans hashtag. You’re really grasping at straws.

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so the premier league is bigger than disney or carnival XD

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Originally Posted by ronandtet

so the premier league is bigger than disney or carnival XD

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PIF only announced their new holdings in Disney just yesterday. Give her more than a minute to respond, eh?

Carnival, I’ve never heard of them, honestly.