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Originally Posted by great_fire

Before 1664?

That doesn't seem likely.

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I thought the same until I saw it on a map dated 1570

Might even go earlier than that

Another thing I didn’t know until recently was that Guest and Chrimes made fuzes for artillery shells

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Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill

I thought the same until I saw it on a map dated 1570

Might even go earlier than that

Another thing I didn’t know until recently was that Guest and Chrimes made fuzes for artillery shells

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You may be correct, it's all pretty murky, but I thought the story was that the area was named New York because of the fire hydrants made there.

But then when the fire hydrants thing was brought up during the stadium naming, I did some research and found some info about NY fire hydrants, found quite a few different types but all made in the USA, I couldn't find any evidence of Guest and Chrimes ones being used over there.

It's not on the 1771 map.

https://www.picturesheffield.com/fro...zoom&id=134506

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Originally Posted by great_fire

You may be correct, it's all pretty murky, but I thought the story was that the area was named New York because of the fire hydrants made there.

But then when the fire hydrants thing was brought up during the stadium naming, I did some research and found some info about NY fire hydrants, found quite a few different types but all made in the USA, I couldn't find any evidence of Guest and Chrimes ones being used over there.

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Not only were NY fire hydrants made in the USA they were also designed in the USA, there were plenty of iron foundries over there capable of making them

Also fire hydrants are made of iron so why would a relatively small brass foundry in Rotherham be interested in making them?

I've always thought the New York name might go back as far as Thomas de Rotherham. He came from our town and rose to become Archbishop of York in 1480, a position he held for twenty years. During his time he endowed a number of religious and educational sites (including the Grammar School) in Rotherham, and it seems entirely possible that an area grew up to be called New York because of this connection. It may not have been formalised until later. Rotherham has been within the purview of the religious province covered by the Archbishop of York for centuries.

There's virtually no evidence to support the fire hydrant story - though I believe some of the technology used in NYC (and most other) fire hydrants was developed by a Rotherham company (could have been G and C - not sure.)

Sure that i read somewhere that the Famous Screw Valve was invented in the mid 1840's at the Factory in the Market place and they did'nt move to Don St until the mid 1850's..............if true, so much for the Heritage of the site.
We missed a great oppertunity when they put out the fire so quickly......lol.............UTM

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Originally Posted by avondalemiller

Sure that i read somewhere that the Famous Screw Valve was invented in the mid 1840's at the Factory in the Market place and they did'nt move to Don St until the mid 1850's..............if true, so much for the Heritage of the site.
We missed a great oppertunity when they put out the fire so quickly......lol.............UTM

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Yes, the patent for the “ tap” as we know it was registered before G&C moved to Don Street so can’t have been invented there.

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Originally Posted by CTMilller

I've always thought the New York name might go back as far as Thomas de Rotherham. He came from our town and rose to become Archbishop of York in 1480, a position he held for twenty years. During his time he endowed a number of religious and educational sites (including the Grammar School) in Rotherham, and it seems entirely possible that an area grew up to be called New York because of this connection. It may not have been formalised until later. Rotherham has been within the purview of the religious province covered by the Archbishop of York for centuries.

There's virtually no evidence to support the fire hydrant story - though I believe some of the technology used in NYC (and most other) fire hydrants was developed by a Rotherham company (could have been G and C - not sure.)

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And New York, the city, was named after the Duke of York not the city in Yorkshire nor the Archbishop of York. As mentioned earlier New York was previously New Amsterdam until we nicked it off the Dutch

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Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill

And New York, the city, was named after the Duke of York not the city in Yorkshire nor the Archbishop of York. As mentioned earlier New York was previously New Amsterdam until we nicked it off the Dutch

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That's what I always understood, too. The Dutch, led by one Peter Stuyvesant, bought it from a local tribe for fourpence ha'penny (and you could always get cigarettes after that....)