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You are not into party politics you are the one with massive amounts to say and the one with the most replies ..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Getintaethem
If you are a Scottish patriot my personal opinion is you haven't shown it on here.
I'd like to see you with more belief in your own country. It also appears you have hate for the SNP maybe too much.
Just my opinion of course.
Aye shame he's like that as he's a decent poster on the football side of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mason89
You need to be into party politics to engage in a conversation on the subject of Scottish Independence? 45% of the Scottish electorate did not even bother to vote in the last Scottish elections whereas 85% voted in the last independence referendum. Lots of people voted in Brexit who do not normally vote. Lots of people voted in the last Scottish referendum who do not normally vote. You do not need to be into party politics to take a passionate interest in both subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Buc
I am against the SNP because they are letting down the people of Scotland. Just in the same way, I would be against Labour, Tories, Lib Dems, Greens and any other party that let down the people of Scotland. I want the best health care, the best economy, the best education, the best police service, the best transport system... for the people of Scotland.
When we can demonstrate, for example, that we have a sustainable and balanced economy - especially not one reliant on a very high oil price, then we can have a better debate on independence. I may even support it. Countries like Singapore have a similar number of citizens to Scotland and top world league tables in pretty much every category. Right now, Scotland is going backwards in comparison to other countries (such as in education league tables) in things under the control of the Scottish Government.
Right now, we do not have a plan to grow a balanced economy - what chance do we have after independence with a £15B annual deficit? That means that there will be less money to provide better services around health care, police, transport, education and business.
I am a Scottish patriot. I want what is best for Scotland and the people of Scotland. The SNP has hijacked patriotism for its own political ends. They are two very different things. In fact, I would say that people that want independence, at any cost, are not Scottish patriots. They would actively see Scotland harmed for the dream of independence.
Even if you wanted independence for independence sake, I would say that Sturgeon, in her actions over the past year or so and especially over the past couple of weeks, has done untold damage to it's cause.
Just my opinion, of course.
Patriotism? :D
Fecht for Britain? Hoot awa!
For Bonnie Scotland? Imph, man, na!
For Lochnagar? Wi’ clook and claw!
(JC Milne)
what do you think he was saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by 57vintage
Milne was saying that he doesn't identify himself by his nationality, but by his locality, pretty much my view, depending on who's asking like. If it was an invader from another planet (which some on here seem to inhabit), I'd be a citizen of Earth. We all have dozens of identities other than national - parents, siblings, careers, professions, political alignment, fitba allegiance, salt n vinegar or nae salt n vinegar, Big Endian or Little Endian*, proddy or tim. There are about erm...1314 ways I'd choose to describe my identity before it came to national, either UK or Scottish. Patriotism, nationalism and national identity doesn't float my boat nowadays. Shouting about Jimmy Hill's poovery at Hampden was fun back in the 1970s. I no longer feel the need.
Someone else said that dividing lines on maps are just where the last pair of feuding vagabonds stopped fechting and went hame. There is much to commend about that outlook too.
* http://www.shmoop.com/gullivers-trav...4-summary.html
interesting post. I am going to make a point of reading gullivers travels.Quote:
Originally Posted by 57vintage
The Penguin edition from the mid-1970s with Michael Foote's introduction is the one you want. I read the kids' abridged edition when I was a nipper, but re-read it in full format when it was on my degree syllabus, around 1977, and was amused at some of the adult content in it which was probably best kept from my 10-year old eyes.
And the King of Brobdingnag is beautifully dismissive of Gulliver's proud description of England's capitalist imperialism, parliamentary and judicial systems, in describing Gulliver's homeland, and his pride (let's call it patriotism) in it. The king concludes that Gulliver must come from "the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth".
Harsh.
The one by Jonathan Swift?Quote:
Originally Posted by 57vintage