OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

My objection to Tricky’s post was to the Rees Mogg link which is pure, well spoken, gibberish. Couldn’t be bothered to sit through the second one after that so...no comment.

Sorry Andy, I’m genuinely confused. I’ll readily concede that there are some examples where money spent on public services could be better directed, but how can you spend less on services such as health, education and law enforcement when the demand and expectation is ever greater?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ramAnag

Sorry Andy, I’m genuinely confused. I’ll readily concede that there are some examples where money spent on public services could be better directed, but how can you spend less on services such as health, education and law enforcement when the demand and expectation is ever greater?

---

...and you help me make my point, you simply assume the demand has got to increase. I'm saying make the demand LESS. There are a hundred ways, and I'll only repeat my anecdote that there MUST be something wrong with the nature of the demand in A&E when the demographic is skewed so heavily away from the national demographic, which can only mean some people's expectations are wrong. Another is make the demand on the refuse service less by recycling properly/better

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

...and you help me make my point, you simply assume the demand has got to increase. I'm saying make the demand LESS. There are a hundred ways, and I'll only repeat my anecdote that there MUST be something wrong with the nature of the demand in A&E when the demographic is skewed so heavily away from the national demographic, which can only mean some people's expectations are wrong. Another is make the demand on the refuse service less by recycling properly/better

---

I’m not quite sure what you mean about A&E, but clearly when you have an increasing number of older people, ever increasing life expectancy and more and more cures for a variety of cancers and other illnesses then there is inevitably going to be a greater demand on the NHS.
Likewise with education...young people are now expected to spend longer in full time education and it seems that every time another social problem arises - from Aids to poorly fed children, to child abuse, to cyber bullying - teachers are the ones who, in addition to meeting their more traditional demands, are expected to deal with it. This sort of increase in expectation and demand has to be properly funded.
As regards the refuse service, I see your point, but aren’t you actually proposing something more sophisticated rather than necessarily cheaper?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ramAnag

I’m not quite sure what you mean about A&E, but clearly when you have an increasing number of older people, ever increasing life expectancy and more and more cures for a variety of cancers and other illnesses then there is inevitably going to be a greater demand on the NHS.
Likewise with education...young people are now expected to spend longer in full time education and it seems that every time another social problem arises - from Aids to poorly fed children, to child abuse, to cyber bullying - teachers are the ones who, in addition to meeting their more traditional demands, are expected to deal with it. This sort of increase in expectation and demand has to be properly funded.
As regards the refuse service, I see your point, but aren’t you actually proposing something more sophisticated rather than necessarily cheaper?

---

Listen carefully, I shall only say this once, I have to agree with you here. Although I believe that there is a lot of money wasted in the NHS, year on year the spending needs to increase to keep up with the new treatments and longer life expectancy. I watched that excellent programme 'surgeons on the edge', carrying out operations which wouldn't have been possible until very recently. But the operations lasting 12 hours or more with 15 staff have to be paid for as well as the aftercare and future treatment for someone who wouldn't be alive normally.

There, I've said it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ram59

Listen carefully, I shall only say this once, I have to agree with you here. Although I believe that there is a lot of money wasted in the NHS, year on year the spending needs to increase to keep up with the new treatments and longer life expectancy. I watched that excellent programme 'surgeons on the edge', carrying out operations which wouldn't have been possible until very recently. But the operations lasting 12 hours or more with 15 staff have to be paid for as well as the aftercare and future treatment for someone who wouldn't be alive normally.

There, I've said it.

---

OMG...approval from Roger and Ram in the same week. My life is now complete!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ram59

Listen carefully, I shall only say this once, I have to agree with you here. Although I believe that there is a lot of money wasted in the NHS, year on year the spending needs to increase to keep up with the new treatments and longer life expectancy. I watched that excellent programme 'surgeons on the edge', carrying out operations which wouldn't have been possible until very recently. But the operations lasting 12 hours or more with 15 staff have to be paid for as well as the aftercare and future treatment for someone who wouldn't be alive normally.

There, I've said it.

---

No arguing with that one Ram59 so there you are Ramanag you have the triple crown

The problem with just about everything at the moment is that successive governments have failed to prepare for the future that is today. The reasons for that are obvious, it would have cost money therefore increasing taxes and that would lose them the next election.

That is why pensions etc are screwed.

It's all down to politicians looking after themselves rather than the country.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ramAnag

OMG...approval from Roger and Ram in the same week. My life is now complete!

---

Well, it is valentine's day, when you think of your loved ones.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ramAnag

My objection to Tricky’s post was to the Rees Mogg link which is pure, well spoken, gibberish. Couldn’t be bothered to sit through the second one after that so...no comment.

?

---

Oh that's normal. Any sane person would object to the gibberish Tricky posts on politics.

[QUOTE=Ram59;38800705]Well, it is valentine's day, when you think of your loved ones.

Lol:heart: