Or impossible to get a prosecution. What's the point in going forward when he can just apparently pardon himself and get off Scott freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lullapie
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Or impossible to get a prosecution. What's the point in going forward when he can just apparently pardon himself and get off Scott freeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lullapie
As I mentioned before.
"Jack Smith, the special prosecutor who brought the criminal case against Trump, had asked to have the charges dropped, citing a Justice Department policy that bans the prosecution of a sitting president.
Judge Tanya Chutkan dismissed the case "without prejudice", meaning the charges could be refiled after Trump finishes his second term."
Correct. The DoJ has definitely said that the charges could be resurrected, but it's highly unlikely as there's too many variables:Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusCole
1. Statute of Limitation
2. The next US government actually being a Democrat one
3. Trump pardoning himself
4. The new administration strengthening the law to prevent past Presidents being indicted
I appreciate we are merely onlookers but the US are (whether we like it or not) the leaders of the free world and all that entails, and Trump has turned it into a cesspool.
You either believe in the US Justice System that there were grounds initially to prosecute Trump, or you don't believe in it, by thinking that the charges were purely political.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Balti Pie
If you believe in it, you can't pick and choose what suits your case.
Those of us that had to listen to the vitriol about the charges knew that when Trump won, the charges would be dismissed.
I understand that no legal system is perfect. However, I believe that the whole thing was political and was just another attempt by the establishment to prevent Trump from winning. Unfortunately, it contributed to the devasting defeat that the establishment experienced at the election.
The people have spoken.
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Originally Posted by Lullapie
He made a few mistakes with his administration first time around but he is a very clever bloke. He isn't making the same mistakes again. He was undermined by the US Civil Service from 2016 and so this time he is getting rid of career Civil Servants, who have never had a job in the real world and bringing in people he can trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmiffyPie
He is trying to resurrect a meritocracy rather than the technocracy that is currently in place. He's not alone, many countries are moving that way - not the UK though, but many other countries are.
You should rise through the ranks on your ability, not because you have the 'right' name, or went to the 'right' university, or progress through term of service.
This is how the word is upside down. To me, from a working class family, I want the ability to better myself. A technocracy prevents that. A technocracy enforces a form of caste system, that you can't rise through.
As an aside, good news out of the Middle East as a ceasefire is on the horizon. Nothing to do with the fact that the political onus has changed since the US election in the Middle East, I'm sure.
Hamas will have to cede many of the things that they have insisted on and territory lost, but they have been abandoned by many of their supporters in the Middle East since the US election.
So, you don't believe in democracy? Or only if it suits you?Quote:
Originally Posted by SmiffyPie
I'm so sorry, I just assumed that you were eating up all the Trump/Putin talking points because you were mad, I had no idea you are being forced to listen to them. My sympathies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lullapie
No, I believe in Democracy and really do respect the election results (as you say, the people have spoken) I just had a chuckle because that's what so many people have said about Brexit (which I voted for and in hindsight wish I hadn't).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lullapie