Election Year or Fear!

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I accused you of bias, you?ve refuted it, that?s fine we?ve both made our point.

I?m not one for conspiracy theories and usually trust the law to be fair but Connolly?s trial, sentencing and failed appeal smell of late night phone calls, nudges and winks and arms twisted to me, its too much of an outlier to to be ?pukka? in my mind. Not sure why she pleaded guilty though, others (clearly, see TTRs example) have trusted in the trial process

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Because Andy she accepted what she did was wrong. By pleading guilty you have dpne away with the prosecution formalities and saved lots of money it is supposed to stand you in good stead in the court room that your remorse and apology are real. Yet an immigrant who hounded a pensioner for weeks then torched his house killing him, gets less jail time. No matter how much RA denies it, that smacks of a stitch up for political reasons. The sentence was excessive considering no one was hurt and as proven, the far right werent even involved. Again sonething that obviously irritates RA. She thought she was doing the right thing. But obviously the politcal elite decides whether that is true or not. Two tier Starmer started this and it rages on. He needs to apologise as well.

Ps seems being a mother didnt help her either. So much for compassion. Yet a foreign criminal who was to be deported, successfully argues against deportation on the grounds his son orefers the chicken nuggets here. You couldnt dream up the judicial **** here, you really couldnt.

"In the the UK the eyes aren't covered are they? So the sunglasses may have some value."

Perhaps not, but this was in Istanbul Turkey!!

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

Ban the Burka is an interesting debate. The Swiss have now enforced it and I can see more following.

I'm not convinced I'm not convinced that we should impose our values on other religions any more so than the reverse would be true with the adoption of Sharia Law.

However there is an argument on security grounds although I don't think it's that strong a one.

On balance I'd say no ban on basis that some other form of ID may be required (for all) eg a picture ID card. That can't be a problem as (I assume) Burka wearers have no problem showing faces for eg passports.

On a side note I once saw a Burka wearer walking down the street with a pair of sunglasses perched atop her head. To this day I've never worked out the logic of that.

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The burqa should be banned, along with all forms of face covering , unless medical or work related. Too many use it to evade being identified either in person or by facial recognition. Its a security breech. I remember a few years ago, a terror suspect got away by hiding in one. You mentioned the swiss but many countries in Europe are doing so. There are even islamic countries that have banned it as well. There is no religious requirement to wear one, the Qur’an simply says dress modestly. Its more a form of female oppression by males

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

"In the the UK the eyes aren't covered are they? So the sunglasses may have some value."

Perhaps not, but this was in Istanbul Turkey!!

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Even full face coverings must let a fair amount of light in , otherwise I imagine navigation would be somewhat problematic.

have you not seen the guide rogs - the female ones themselves wearing face masks!!

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Originally Posted by SithHappens

I'd assumed GP wasn't really being serious.

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Me too…the first time!

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Originally Posted by SithHappens

Even full face coverings must let a fair amount of light in , otherwise I imagine navigation would be somewhat problematic.

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A burqa allows the eyes to see out from behind a mesh. A niqab covers the face but the eyes remain uncovered and the view unrestricted.
Personally, I think that - as with most religious ‘artefacts’ - it’s all a bit bonkers and unnecessary but, like Sith, none of my business.

Think the whole security issue was put into perspective by Covid. Suddenly we were all likely to be prevented from flying, using public transport or entering a supermarket if we weren’t wearing a face covering. Yes there have been examples of terrorists disguising their appearance via the use of a burqa. Equally terrorists and criminals have ‘hidden’ behind balaclavas, hoodies, baseball caps and sunglasses for years. Don’t see any call for them to be banned.

One wonders if Zia Yusuf is on borrowed time as despite others backing Pochin he said it's not policy and was a dumb question to ask.

Have seen plenty of objections to balaclavas on matches protesting against this and that where clearly being used to cover identity when lobbing bricks or looting etc! But it would be like banning socks as there are legit reasons for use in cold weather

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