O/T:- Covid Trump

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

It seems like quite a lot of Republicans are convinced that electoral fraud really happened, but I'm equally convinced that it's just sheer desperation from Trump. He will never, ever admit that he was beaten fair and square, so he thinks if he repeats it often enough many of his diehard supporters will be taken in, and it looks like they are.

Every single claim has been thrown out by the courts, but there is one deciding factor for me. If it really was possible to rig a US election, does anyone seriously think that Joe Biden would be the one to take advantage rather than Donald Trump?

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And to rig to the tune of over 7 million votes would make him a riggin' genius

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

It seems like quite a lot of Republicans are convinced that electoral fraud really happened, but I'm equally convinced that it's just sheer desperation from Trump. He will never, ever admit that he was beaten fair and square, so he thinks if he repeats it often enough many of his diehard supporters will be taken in, and it looks like they are.

Every single claim has been thrown out by the courts, but there is one deciding factor for me. If it really was possible to rig a US election, does anyone seriously think that Joe Biden would be the one to take advantage rather than Donald Trump?

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There are plenty of Americans who think there were no Moon landings, that the 9/11 attacks were an FBI plot, alien abductions are a reality, COVID is fake news, etc. All it takes is for Fox News to whisper "conspiracy!" and "Allah" in the same sentence and the yanks lap it up with a gun-totin' parade. Facts like no evidence only convince them of a cover up.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I agree that in the same way that Covid 19 has showed us how inadequate our preparations for a pandemic were, Trump has showed us how many constitutional safeguards rely on people in power having some modicum of decency and overriding concern for the nation.

BFP can I ask you for your considered opinion on the same question you asked me?

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This was a picture that was widely circulated of the National Guard on standby in preparation for a BLM protest. Snopes here has verified it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...ard-trump-mob/

In contrast with the maga march. I think it’s safe to say they wouldn’t have got through and any who did would have been shot long before that idiot woman was shot last week.

Here’s an article about research showing that the BLM protests this year were overwhelmingly peaceful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...outputType=amp

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

This was a picture that was widely circulated of the National Guard on standby in preparation for a BLM protest. Snopes here has verified it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...ard-trump-mob/

In contrast with the maga march. I think it’s safe to say they wouldn’t have got through and any who did would have been shot long before that idiot woman was shot last week.

Here’s an article about research showing that the BLM protests this year were overwhelmingly peaceful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...outputType=amp

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I'm not sure which part of my argument you're trying to refute there, but just to clarify:

No doubt in my mind that the picture is genuine, and I'm pretty sure I didn't question that, but I suppose it's always good practice to fact check to be on the safe side, so thanks for that.

I mentioned my problem with that photo in that meme in my last post, but I'll do it again for clarity; my issue with that photo is that it was taken on June the 2nd, (the George Floyd protests in Washington had been ongoing since 28th of May), and it was compared to the very beginning of the events at the Capitol when there were hardly any police on duty. When the National Guard eventually arrived at the capitol last week, they behaved in much the same way as you would expect them to do, regardless of who was in front of them.

Not sure what your point is with the second article either.

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Originally Posted by LaxtonLad

There are plenty of Americans who think there were no Moon landings, that the 9/11 attacks were an FBI plot, alien abductions are a reality, COVID is fake news, etc. All it takes is for Fox News to whisper "conspiracy!" and "Allah" in the same sentence and the yanks lap it up with a gun-totin' parade. Facts like no evidence only convince them of a cover up.

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It's not only Americans who think those things didn't happen, I know people who think the moon landings didn't happen and 9/11 was all Americas doing.

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Originally Posted by i961pie

It's not only Americans who think those things didn't happen, I know people who think the moon landings didn't happen and 9/11 was all Americas doing.

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That's nothing, I know bods who think Forest won the European Cup....twice!

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Originally Posted by i961pie

It's not only Americans who think those things didn't happen, I know people who think the moon landings didn't happen and 9/11 was all Americas doing.

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I know people who SAY they don't believe such things but none that really do. Americans though are pummeled into conspiracy beliefs day and night by TV programmers preying on their gullibility and their fears of "Reds under the bed".

So many of them refuse to have their children vaccinated against MMR because of the non-medical, so-called experts telling them the vaccine contains cells from aborted fetuses or it causes autism. It's a lie but the "experts" appear on Oprah or Fox News and call conspiracy or socialism and now you have an increase in childhood illnesses and deaths.

i961pie, I DO know people in England who won't have their kids vaccinated. But these are people who won't have the 'flu vaccine nor will they have the COVID one either because "I'm not having chemicals injected into MY body", and they pompously let everybody know - are they special or what?

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I'm not sure which part of my argument you're trying to refute there, but just to clarify:

No doubt in my mind that the picture is genuine, and I'm pretty sure I didn't question that, but I suppose it's always good practice to fact check to be on the safe side, so thanks for that.

I mentioned my problem with that photo in that meme in my last post, but I'll do it again for clarity; my issue with that photo is that it was taken on June the 2nd, (the George Floyd protests in Washington had been ongoing since 28th of May), and it was compared to the very beginning of the events at the Capitol when there were hardly any police on duty. When the National Guard eventually arrived at the capitol last week, they behaved in much the same way as you would expect them to do, regardless of who was in front of them.

Not sure what your point is with the second article either.

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Kin ell Driller sometimes you’re more defensive than Ardley’s tactics away at Maidenhead.

You returned my question and I thought the first article/photo would help answer it and the second link was info for people (not necessarily you) who think BLM is an inherently violent movement. Sometimes internet discourse isn’t all about refuting things or ‘making points’.

I do disagree with your analysis of the policing of last week. Everyone knew what was happening and the type of people who were likely to turn up. The real reasons for the ill-preparedness of law enforcement have yet to be established, but (and I can’t prove this for sure) black or Muslim protestors wouldn’t have got anywhere near that building under similar circumstances.

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Originally Posted by i961pie

It's not only Americans who think those things didn't happen, I know people who think the moon landings didn't happen and 9/11 was all Americas doing.

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When the two non-impartiality TV channels start broadcasting here, you will see an exponential growth in fruit loops on this side of the Pond who will spread their fake news and create solidarity groups.

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Originally Posted by sidders

When the two non-impartiality TV channels start broadcasting here, you will see an exponential growth in fruit loops on this side of the Pond who will spread their fake news and create solidarity groups.

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https://www.wired.co.uk/article/british-fox-news