Dundee United - Championship winners 2019/20

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Originally Posted by GFLower

Can't see a 16 Premier as that would require playing each other just one home and away. No way the majority of teams in the premier are going with that for instance St Johnstone changed the seating arrangement to give the OF 3 sides of the ground. Motherwell have already said no way they'd agree to a loss of OF money. Livi, Hamilton St Murren the same. Also sky want their guaranteed 4 OF derbies a year and its sky who are now calling the shots

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The main reason Scottish fitba is a joke. When most teams in the top league rely on the away support from the bigot bros .

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Originally Posted by duke_the_arab

The main reason Scottish fitba is a joke. When most teams in the top league rely on the away support from the bigot bros .

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its a hard fact of life

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Originally Posted by psych

Doesn't require both to agree. I could see 11 of the teams accepting 14 for 1 season. The only one voting against would be Rangers as they basically want the season null and voided so Celtic don't have the title.

And if it was a one off 14 team season with a split after 26 games Sky would skills get their 4 OF games which is their biggest consideration.

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Technically it doesn't, but when do they ever not vote together when an 11-1 vote is required? This would be a first. All, I'm saying is, demanding & being granted talks on reconstruction is the smallest of hurdles to overcome.

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Originally Posted by tHeArAb

Technically it doesn't, but when do they ever not vote together when an 11-1 vote is required? This would be a first. All, I'm saying is, demanding & being granted talks on reconstruction is the smallest of hurdles to overcome.

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Usually with the OF their interests are shared when it comes to change and that is why they tend to vote together. The current situation is wholly different. Their interests are diametrically opposed. Celtic want the title which they feel entitled to. Rangers don't want Celtic to be given the title because their fans will go in to orbit if the club accepted it.

A tweak for 1 season (remembering there is already acceptance that next season might be disrupted anyway) isn't that big an upheaval in context. it also solves the relegation issue.

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Originally Posted by duke_the_arab

Ye and that's due to the Sheep being Billy Big Baws when Oldco went defunct . There was a vote on changing the voting structure to 8-4 for everything about 7 years ago they voted with the Tattiemunchers to keep it as it is.

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I can see your point mate,the 11/1 voting system is designed to stop diddy clubs voting to extend the top league as they see fit to protect them from relegation.It of course also protects the prize fund been shared out too thinly.Mind you it does have its merits if you look at my example below.

During a time of national crisis the SPFL decide that the lower league's from Championship down cannot finish due to a lethal pandemic,a vote takes place of all 42 clubs asking them to vote yes or no on the current league placings being final.A wee diddy club with a past history of making an erse of itself phucks up its vote.
The wee diddy club then realises it holds the balance of power on whether the vote is passed or not,it then decides to break promises made to other clubs including one facing relegation it had been in a pact with.This wee club now decides it wants to play with the big boys and brings its own plans to the table.
The story does not end well for the wee diddy club though as their reconstruction plan which sees them going up as club 15 falls at the first hurdle due to the Premiership's draconian 11/1 rule.



The End.

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Originally Posted by psych

Usually with the OF their interests are shared when it comes to change and that is why they tend to vote together. The current situation is wholly different. Their interests are diametrically opposed. Celtic want the title which they feel entitled to. Rangers don't want Celtic to be given the title because their fans will go in to orbit if the club accepted it.

A tweak for 1 season (remembering there is already acceptance that next season might be disrupted anyway) isn't that big an upheaval in context. it also solves the relegation issue.

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But the 11-1 vote for reconstruction has nothing to do with who will be champions of The Premiership. If talks get to the reconstruction stage, then Dundee will have voted yes and Celtic will already have been declared champions.
If reconstruction talks are then granted, there will then be a vote on reconstruction. If it goes through, Celtic will still be champions.
If it doesn't got through, Celtic will still be champions. See what I'm getting at???
The reconstruction vote will not decide who wins The Premiership, as that will have already been decided by Dundee's yes vote, therfore Rangers and Celtic have no reason to vote against each other.
Dundee voting no is the only thing that will stop Celtic being declared champions.

Dundee have changed position on this so many times it’s mind boggling even before the vote issues themselves.

Today the papers were briefed for a potential yes vote.

Obviously something happened - probably the jags legal advice - that caused them to delay.

The longer this goes on the more the Fun are drawing attention to their own craziness!!

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Originally Posted by LSArab

Dundee have changed position on this so many times it’s mind boggling even before the vote issues themselves.

Today the papers were briefed for a potential yes vote.

Obviously something happened - probably the jags legal advice - that caused them to delay.

The longer this goes on the more the Fun are drawing attention to their own craziness!!

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It's giving us something to laugh about in otherwise grim times mate. 😂

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Originally Posted by GUNBOAT

I can see your point mate,the 11/1 voting system is designed to stop diddy clubs voting to extend the top league as they see fit to protect them from relegation.It of course also protects the prize fund been shared out too thinly.Mind you it does have its merits if you look at my example below.

During a time of national crisis the SPFL decide that the lower league's from Championship down cannot finish due to a lethal pandemic,a vote takes place of all 42 clubs asking them to vote yes or no on the current league placings being final.A wee diddy club with a past history of making an erse of itself phucks up its vote.
The wee diddy club then realises it holds the balance of power on whether the vote is passed or not,it then decides to break promises made to other clubs including one facing relegation it had been in a pact with.This wee club now decides it wants to play with the big boys and brings its own plans to the table.
The story does not end well for the wee diddy club though as their reconstruction plan which sees them going up as club 15 falls at the first hurdle due to the Premiership's draconian 11/1 rule.



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I see your point as well GB. A wee diddy club trying to be as important as there more illustrious neighbours.

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Originally Posted by tHeArAb

But the 11-1 vote for reconstruction has nothing to do with who will be champions of The Premiership. If talks get to the reconstruction stage, then Dundee will have voted yes and Celtic will already have been declared champions.
If reconstruction talks are then granted, there will then be a vote on reconstruction. If it goes through, Celtic will still be champions.
If it doesn't got through, Celtic will still be champions. See what I'm getting at???
The reconstruction vote will not decide who wins The Premiership, as that will have already been decided by Dundee's yes vote, therfore Rangers and Celtic have no reason to vote against each other.
Dundee voting no is the only thing that will stop Celtic being declared champions.

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Indeed. Totally agree if Dundee vote Yes then that would be it over. But we dont know if this will happen. If they do vote no or a legal challenge is made about the process of the voting then a new vote would have to take place and that is when reconstruction would change Hearts, Inverness and Partick votes. Rangers would then be out on a limb.
Their only hope of a null and void season would be continued chaos, another no vote to ending the season. Reconstruction would torpedo that effort. I think Rangers hope that if money is forwarded in advance of a decision (their motion) clubs will be less bothered about the outcome of the leagues making their wet dream of null and voided more possible and UEFA will somehow direct leagues to void their seasons. (This from reading hun forums)