O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

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Originally Posted by ThePieWhoCameIn

Sorry, I'm confused about tariffs again. It seems that Canada is to respond to US tariffs with retaliatory tariffs of its own.

Why is that necessary if Canada already had tariffs on US goods?

I also note that Trump almost managed to admit the tariffs will cause 'some pain' (but it will be worth it in the end). I presume he means pain for his electorate, I doubt he'll feel anything.

Ironically, the only good thing that comes out of a global recession is lower consumption, which is at least better for the planet. Who knew Trump was an environmentalist

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The US exports over US$330 billion to Canada each year and there are many goods that don't currently have tariffs or have lower tariffs placed on them when they arrive into Canada. Trudeau's announcement will impact on US$155 billion of US imports.

Then look at the other side. The US imports over US$400 billion of Canadian goods each year.

Trudeau is a dead duck and is having his last hurrah before he fades away into insignificance and joins the gravy train of the UN. He'll only be remembered for the way in which he treated the Canadian people during Covid, once their new government announces an independent enquiry and his authoritarian actions are scrutinised.

Trudeau is following the tactic adopted by many similar governments to him, to wreck the economy for the new administration coming in.

There will only be one winner and it won't be the Canadian public.

Trudeau's retaliatory tariffs in response to Trump's unprovoked tariffs is Trudeau wrecking the economy? What did Trump do?

Serious lack of critical thinking going on there.

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Originally Posted by Jampie

Trudeau's retaliatory tariffs in response to Trump's unprovoked tariffs is Trudeau wrecking the economy? What did Trump do?

Serious lack of critical thinking going on there.

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I agree with the Canadian and Mexican responses to Trump but I think there will only be one winner in the end. Trump is capable of such extreme and unexpected behaviour, you just never know what he'll do in response.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

You're sounding very narrow minded. It wasn't just NZ Dairy Farmers, but pushing your crazy rhetoric that you and others do, you are so one-eyed, it's unbelievable.

I was counteracting the lie that Trump is hellbent on punishing other countries with tariffs, when in fact, it is the other countries who have tariffs against the US (as well as many other countries in the world).

I gave an example, something of which you and a few other of your ilk are unprepared or unable to do. The example was how Canada had gone against an international agreement, which they had signed, and were now being pushed through the international trade 'courts' to force them to stick to the agreement they had signed.

The countries involved were the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The US! The country's President who you are berating for putting tariffs on other countries.

You sound like you are living in a very secluded world. Unfortunately, the World hasn't been like that for years. Countries have to 'fight' for their position on the world economic front by any means that they have at their disposal.

As I said, Canada has been doing this for some time and the US are well within their rights to take any action necessary to make Canada conform. There will be only one winner, I guarantee you that.

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I'm not going to reply in kind with personal comments and so on, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on you proving the claim you made.

Your claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada.

As I said before, the articles you posted as supposed proof do not in any way support the claim you made.

If among all your bluff and bluster you would like to walk back that claim and change it to the much softer claim of 'other countries apart from the USA use tariffs' or 'Canada is involved in trade disputes with other countries' as seems possible from your last post, just say that clearly.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I'm not going to reply in kind with personal comments and so on, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on you proving the claim you made.

Your claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada.

As I said before, the articles you posted as supposed proof do not in any way support the claim you made.

If among all your bluff and bluster you would like to walk back that claim and change it to the much softer claim of 'other countries apart from the USA use tariffs' or 'Canada is involved in trade disputes with other countries' as seems possible from your last post, just say that clearly.

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I haven't read any of these but Canada has a record in numerous cases both as complainant and respondent.

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/a...&subject1=DISP

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e..._e/ds557_e.htm

According to todays news, the UK and EU are now in his cross hairs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt

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Originally Posted by Med Pie

I haven't read any of these but Canada has a record in numerous cases both as complainant and respondent.

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/a...&subject1=DISP

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e..._e/ds557_e.htm

According to todays news, the UK and EU are now in his cross hairs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt

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Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I'm not going to reply in kind with personal comments and so on, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on you proving the claim you made.

Your claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada.

As I said before, the articles you posted as supposed proof do not in any way support the claim you made.

If among all your bluff and bluster you would like to walk back that claim and change it to the much softer claim of 'other countries apart from the USA use tariffs' or 'Canada is involved in trade disputes with other countries' as seems possible from your last post, just say that clearly.

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Boring???.zzzzzzz

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

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You seem to have been asleep at your keyboard for the last four years. There was a guy in power called Joe Biden.

Are you blaming Trump for trade agreements made while he wasn?t in power?

Seriously you make the most deluded rants. You ask for proof from others and when they supply it, you say that you can?t be bothered to read it.

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Originally Posted by ThePieWhoCameIn

This is also confusing. You sound angry that you won and got what you wanted.

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It's not confusing. Yes 'we' won the vote decision but have been lied to regarding implementation. It's no wonder the reputation of politicians, the Civil Service and 'Remainer' corporates is poor.

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

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There are numerous cases in that list regarding 'lumber' so that's one area where there's been an imbalance and in fact, Trump mentioned that specifically along with cars.