O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

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Originally Posted by keldsyke

Nobody said they couldn’t, it’s an individuals choice, but pushing your own agenda through these threads is tiring to say the least, I should imagine a lot of people have stopped coming on this forum recently since the constant unqualified ramblings from people with agendas, hence my thread yesterday about choosing either Rodrgues or Wootton to get people talking without interruptions with crap.

Back on thread I think that percentage is higher if you include the National league I know one player (he’s had both jabs) who was tested after a match a few weeks back and 12 tested positive for Covid, 8 of them had to self isolate as they hadn’t had one jab at all, it’s a big problem, all in all it’s about protecting everyone in society, I know I’m doing my bit!

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Basically having covid after the vax is acceptable, but having covid unvaxxed is not socially acceptable.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

It's widely accepted that young men are at a much greater risk of suffering heart problems as a result of being vaccinated and they are no doubt aware of mounting cases in recent months of soccer players suffering heart problems on the pitch, which may or may not be due to the vaccine but obviously you'd be worried. It's a horrible position to be in and they have my full sympathy.

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You do understand the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis (with Pfizer) is extremely small, even in males under 30? And that almost all cases are mild to moderate, and result in a full recovery?

And that the risks of actually having covid, which include myocarditis, amongst of course myriad other risks? Yes the risks for younger people are lower, but they still exist. So far this year 884 people between 15 and 44 have died with covid in England (I've downloaded the data).

As for players having cardiac issues on the pitch, a statistic cluster is considered the most likely reason by experts, nothing more. As young males are the least vaccinated group, it's a bit of a stretch to hint it might be down to the vaccine, it's more likely to be down to covid, which I notice you don't mention as a potential cause.

Bugger, I wasn't going to reply again. Sorry everyone XD

Conclusion from a study published in Nature magazine last week;

‘Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting22. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection26, when evaluated systematically using high-sensitivity cardiac troponin tests27. Moreover, evidence of myocardial injury, irrespective of whether due to myocarditis or myocardial ischemia, is associated with a higher risk of in-hospital death28. We estimate that the absolute number of excess myocarditis events in the 28 days following a first dose of adenovirus or mRNA vaccine is between one and six per million persons vaccinated, and the excess risk following the second dose of the mRNA-1283 vaccine is ten per million. By contrast, we estimate 40 excess myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following SARS-CoV-2 infection. The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million. Further research is required to understand why the risk of myocarditis seems to be higher following mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although the wider societal benefits of controlling the spread of virus to those who are more vulnerable are substantial, these data may help inform public health policy and the choice of vaccine offered to younger adults.’

Fairly clear cut.

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

Conclusion from a study published in Nature magazine last week;

‘Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting22. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection26, when evaluated systematically using high-sensitivity cardiac troponin tests27. Moreover, evidence of myocardial injury, irrespective of whether due to myocarditis or myocardial ischemia, is associated with a higher risk of in-hospital death28. We estimate that the absolute number of excess myocarditis events in the 28 days following a first dose of adenovirus or mRNA vaccine is between one and six per million persons vaccinated, and the excess risk following the second dose of the mRNA-1283 vaccine is ten per million. By contrast, we estimate 40 excess myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following SARS-CoV-2 infection. The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million. Further research is required to understand why the risk of myocarditis seems to be higher following mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although the wider societal benefits of controlling the spread of virus to those who are more vulnerable are substantial, these data may help inform public health policy and the choice of vaccine offered to younger adults.’

Fairly clear cut.

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Ah but they would say that, wouldn't they? I once saw an article in Nature about lizards. I'll leave you to put two and two together.

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Originally Posted by SwalePie

Ah but they would say that, wouldn't they? I once saw an article in Nature about lizards. I'll leave you to put two and two together.

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Haha don’t mention lizards to the anti vax lads, they’ll be claiming soon the vaccines turn you into one.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Taiwan suspends 2nd dose Pfizer Covid vaccine for 12-17 olds over heart inflammation

https://www.wionews.com/world/taiwan...mmation-428777

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Wionews? That highly respected, independent, internationally verified news network? Or in other words - who the f**k are they?

Well they already have total control, compliance by scarring the sht out of the populations, haven't read it, was mentioned in a JR podcast I was listening to the other day

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Taiwan suspends 2nd dose Pfizer Covid vaccine for 12-17 olds over heart inflammation

https://www.wionews.com/world/taiwan...mmation-428777

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Your might want to read this...

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4359429

Taiwan resumed vaccinations for this age group last month.

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Originally Posted by sidders

Apparently 31% of EFL players have not yet had their first shot against COVID and a quarter of players have no intention of getting vaccinated. We could have the ridiculous situation of fans having to produce a vaccine passport to watch players who have not been vaccinated.
What's a matter with these pillocks? Are they afraid of having a pinprick? Will it get them laughed out of the dressing room?
Civil liberties are all well and good but this is about protecting your fellow man as well as yourself. Those who reject being vaccinated are behaving like a bunch of right wingers or do they actually believe the Q-anon myth that it's all part of a government plot to control people?
The way things are going football will have ground to a halt before January is halfway through.

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Maybe they think the vaccine hasn't been tested properly and has been rushed through. Maybe they think that the side effects of the Vaccine have been hidden from the public to suit their gamble of pushing the untested vaccine on them !?.

Didn't the government retract the law that means any companies involved with the creation of the vaccine cannot be sued for any damages caused by its use ?

There's is a rumour that one hidden side effect is inflammation of the heart ( I'm not sure how plausible or true ) and I know 3 people who have had heart attack's that the doctors cannot identify what caused it , they could see no reason for them having one (Is this normal?)
mmmmmm....food for thought possibly