O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

The decision to invade Iraq was supported by the Conservative party who were in opposition at the time.

Even more balance!

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But the Tories would ALWAYS support a Republican, US President. No news there.

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Originally Posted by OchPie

Most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. What "cultural differences" do you blame that on? Or do you just think the victims of white grooming gangs should shut up and be ignored because that's not a "cultural difference" to talk about?

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Another group of twenty, Pakistani men, convicted of grooming, for a combined total of about two hundred years. During the case, one of the victims was being stared down in court by one of the accused mens family and there were confrontations outside the court.

Enlighten me OP, can you point out any more, white, grooming gangs which you insist are in the majority? The only white grooming mob I can think of was totally debunked as the work of a fantasist who made allegations against high, profile men. The one you linked to in Walsall happened during my time overseas but to suggest it's the majority is blinkered IMO.

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Originally Posted by Med Pie

That's nothing to do with Brexit, ok, it maybe made them dislike us even more but the French in particular have always hated us, they even veto'd our first application to join what was then the Common market.

What the EU allowed, was the importation of cheap labour and the export of what were once, well paying jobs to poorer nations where they could pay people less. Off the top of my head, was it Nissan who moved their entire, operation to Poland?

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Charles De Gaulle always vetoed UK applications to join the EEC.
The UK only gaining admission after his demise.
Maybe CDG loved the UK more than was thought possible?

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Originally Posted by Med Pie

Another group of twenty, Pakistani men, convicted of grooming, for a combined total of about two hundred years. During the case, one of the victims was being stared down in court by one of the accused mens family and there were confrontations outside the court.

Enlighten me OP, can you point out any recent white, grooming gangs which you insist are in the majority? The only white grooming mob I can think of was totally debunked as the work of a fantasist who made allegations against high, profile men. The one you linked to in Walsall comes up as 'page not found'.

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The real facts about these heinous acts will only be revealed by open and honest detailed publication of statistics .
Denmark openly publishes these figures .
Folks here seeking FOI details re ; homicides were answered " that figures for these types of criminal acts, are not recorded."
Once again , make of it what you will.

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

The decision to invade Iraq was supported by the Conservative party who were in opposition at the time.

Even more balance!

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Robin Cook and Doctor Kelly didn't support the Words of Mass Deception did they ?
Their lives wern't improved under Blair were they ??

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

For centuries Great Britain had a reputation for truth, decency and fairness. Brexit and Boris Johnson managed to trash that once proud reputation in just a couple of years, where lies and deceit became what we were known for. Europe in particular doesn't like us much, and with good reason.

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Really, if you think that way, perhaps, you would prefer living in Europe.?
The Kinnocks certainly made a good life working for the EU, despite being rejected by the Elecorate in the UK.

You conveniently forgot that Blair , Brown & Campbell came before Boris Johnson and Sadiq has been Mayor of London after BoJo ?
Those three , certainly tarnished the reputation of the UK globally for their policies and Mr.Starmer has already been called out by some EU leaders and Journalists for his actions .

Europe doesn't particularly like us since Brexit ?
Perhaps, they were peeved because the second largest financial contributors were no longer laying the golden eggs ?
Whatever has occurred since, proves the point, for the petty and peevish policy restrictions imposed since Brexit ?
Still, if your personal idea of democracy, is loyalty to unelected EU commissioners and authoritarian dual leadership standards, you must be rather narrow minded ?

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Originally Posted by SinceSept1959

The Kinnocks certainly made a good life working for the EU, despite being rejected by the Elecorate in the UK.

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So did a certain Mr Farage.

He very rarely attended or voted, but he claimed a fortune in expenses!

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Originally Posted by SinceSept1959

Charles De Gaulle always vetoed UK applications to join the EEC.
The UK only gaining admission after his demise.
Maybe CDG loved the UK more than was thought possible?

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After he cowered here in the UK for the term of the war as thousands of British lives were lost, winning his country back for him.

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

The decision to invade Iraq was supported by the Conservative party who were in opposition at the time.

Even more balance!

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To be fair here the Conservatives would have not been able to see the full "evidence of WMDs" that Blair used to justify the war. That was the clincher that got backing of other parties.

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Originally Posted by Med Pie

After he cowered here in the UK for the term of the war as thousands of British lives were lost, winning his country back for him.

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True and he insisted on leading the Victory parade through Paris !
Apparently CDG said to Eisenhower " I want all American soldiers off French soil ASAP "
Eisenhower curtly and rightly replied " including all the dead ones ?"
The Allied forces including, American , Russian and Commonwealth troops freed Europe from tyranny and rebuilt their industries to the detriment of our own.
So much for gratitude ,
( especially as Gordon Brown, is reported to have cancelled the war time debts which France owed to the UK)
A similar amount to the repayments made by the UK to the USA for lend lease agreements ?