o/t do people really believe there is a right and left in politics, today?

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Socialist Workers Party supported Brexit as well, Old Labour always were anti-EEC, Corbyn was as well until recently but Labour sold out to the globalists just like the Tory leadership.

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My personal views and the views of many in the Labour Party echo Tony Benn. Corbyn I think does at heart but is playing a long term strategic game. Once in a position of power, he will push to use the brexit 'lever' to move its away from the corporate racket of wage undercutting and corporate servitude.

So back to my question, how would you 'label' Benn, me and possibly Corbyn, socialist Democrats that believe in UK self determination (at least away from current eu forum) and border controls to protect UK jobs from low wage migrant flooding from profit maximising businesses?

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

My my aren't you the well informed one .


https://www.barnsley.gov.uk/news/gbp...s-is-unveiled/

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And not one of these in sight... bah gum


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Originally Posted by the_idiotb_stardson

I have a friend in fleet street who says in the past they seldom mixed but nowadays they are all lunching together and it has been the case for years..

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Very reassuring to know you have a " friend " IBS.
For a while I was concerned you were talking & answering yourself.
A " friend " in " The Street of Shame " as it's sometimes called.
Do they still publish the Beano in Fleet Street ?
Is your " friend " an investment banker or in the legal profession ?
Does he sell The Socialist Worker on Fleet Street ?
In answer to your O/P, politicians have been buying each other gin & tonics & cheap ale for a long while.
It's not an illusion, the trick is to get elected as an MP then get your snout in the expenses trough.

EDIT ; yes there is still a right & left in politics, has been since Tony Blair bunked off.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

My personal views and the views of many in the Labour Party echo Tony Benn. Corbyn I think does at heart but is playing a long term strategic game. Once in a position of power, he will push to use the brexit 'lever' to move its away from the corporate racket of wage undercutting and corporate servitude.

So back to my question, how would you 'label' Benn, me and possibly Corbyn, socialist Democrats that believe in UK self determination (at least away from current eu forum) and border controls to protect UK jobs from low wage migrant flooding from profit maximising businesses?

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Well Labour MP Barry Sheerman would say you're thick.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41795133

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Originally Posted by Casper64Frank

Very reassuring to know you have a " friend " IBS.
For a while I was concerned you were talking & answering yourself.
A " friend " in " The Street of Shame " as it's sometimes called.
Do they still publish the Beano in Fleet Street ?
Is your " friend " an investment banker or in the legal profession ?
Does he sell The Socialist Worker on Fleet Street ?
In answer to your O/P, politicians have been buying each other gin & tonics & cheap ale for a long while.
It's not an illusion, the trick is to get elected as an MP then get your snout in the expenses trough.

EDIT ; yes there is still a right & left in politics, has been since Tony Blair bunked off.

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The only right-wing people in the House of Common are some of the Tory backbenchers and the DUP, the present government who are giving prisoners the vote and prioritising council housing for jihadis cannot be called right-wing in the slightest, I said they're New Labour but they seem to be moving further left by the day.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Well Labour MP Barry Sheerman would say you're thick.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41795133

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I'm not interested in what Barry Sheerman has to say.

Please answer my question. It's not a difficult one and you appear quite confident in your definition of right and left wing for the new age.

So answer it.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

The only right-wing people in the House of Common are some of the Tory backbenchers and the DUP, the present government who are giving prisoners the vote and prioritising council housing for jihadis cannot be called right-wing in the slightest, I said they're New Labour but they seem to be moving further left by the day.

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What about Gove and Johnson who sit on the cabinet , are they left wing new labour too ?

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

What about Gove and Johnson who sit on the cabinet , are they left wing new labour too ?

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Obviously you should look at the things Johnson said when he was Mayor. You think because they were nominally Pro-Brexit they are right-wing? That's a fallacy.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

I'm not interested in what Barry Sheerman has to say.

Please answer my question. It's not a difficult one and you appear quite confident in your definition of right and left wing for the new age.

So answer it.

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Benn and Corbyn are on the far left, obviously.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Benn and Corbyn are on the far left, obviously.

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But how can that be so when your own definition of right wing is only focused on those who wish to restrict the numbers of immigrants into the country?

Ok then - please define 'Right wing' as far as your concerned...