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Originally Posted by mistaram

MA if you go onto Football law.co.uk/articles the owls and the rams. It's but heavy for me best get Geoff on it

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It's all legalese at its best. One of the final paragraphs is quite telling. In it the author passes his opinion and that is.....

Considering that (i) SWFC has ‘numerous emails, letters and other documents in which the EFL gave authorisation to the [sale of Hillsborough], and on which authorisation [SWFC] understood it could rely’ and (ii) DCFC ‘discussed the rationale for the stadium sale with the EFL Executive, ahead of the transaction, supplied and discussed the valuation, and bar a small adjustment in respect of its FFP/P&S submissions, the Club was given written approval’, it is easy to see how each type of estoppel explained above can be argued forcefully by SWFC and DCFC respectively. It is this author’s opinion that should such evidence be available to SWFC and DCFC as stated then each club has good prospects of successfully defending the charges made against them in respect of their respective stadium sales and avoiding the sanctions that can be imposed pursuant to EFL Regulations, regulation 92 in respect of the same.

He gives, or I haven't seen one anyway, no opinion on the amortisation charges. Derby's manner of amortisation accounting was accepted and signed off on by the EFL in the first 2 years of this 3 year cycle. Then, with no rule changes and without informing DCFC that there was, actually, an issue with how they amortise the value of payers in the books, the EFL decides to charge them with an offence. That, IMO, goes against natural justice.

I hope the tribunal sees it that way too.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Just three seasons, Gunter...including the first two of the Premiership as I think it was then called.

Not sure you can protest about people patronising Barnsley while calling Oldham the ‘biggest ****hole you can imagine’.

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Well okay I'll take it back. Burnley just edges it.

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Originally Posted by GUNTERYY36

Well okay I'll take it back. Burnley just edges it.

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Ah...by coincidence another Lancashire town. I think I sense a case of Yorkshire bitter. Have to go back even further - almost 750 years - for the origins of that one.

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Originally Posted by GUNTERYY36

Well okay I'll take it back. Burnley just edges it.

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Nothing wrong with Burnley best pies ever . Now if you want a sh**ole try S****horpe , Just be the most depressing place in earth ,unfortunately I have to go there quite regularly But that's only marginally worse than Oldham that's like driving through Beirut 😄

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

It's all legalese at its best. One of the final paragraphs is quite telling. In it the author passes his opinion and that is.....

Considering that (i) SWFC has ‘numerous emails, letters and other documents in which the EFL gave authorisation to the [sale of Hillsborough], and on which authorisation [SWFC] understood it could rely’ and (ii) DCFC ‘discussed the rationale for the stadium sale with the EFL Executive, ahead of the transaction, supplied and discussed the valuation, and bar a small adjustment in respect of its FFP/P&S submissions, the Club was given written approval’, it is easy to see how each type of estoppel explained above can be argued forcefully by SWFC and DCFC respectively. It is this author’s opinion that should such evidence be available to SWFC and DCFC as stated then each club has good prospects of successfully defending the charges made against them in respect of their respective stadium sales and avoiding the sanctions that can be imposed pursuant to EFL Regulations, regulation 92 in respect of the same.

He gives, or I haven't seen one anyway, no opinion on the amortisation charges. Derby's manner of amortisation accounting was accepted and signed off on by the EFL in the first 2 years of this 3 year cycle. Then, with no rule changes and without informing DCFC that there was, actually, an issue with how they amortise the value of payers in the books, the EFL decides to charge them with an offence. That, IMO, goes against natural justice.

I hope the tribunal sees it that way too.

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MA think I will let Geoff call this one to complicated for me This is what happens when you sign players of 26-27 for over inflated prices on three year contracts and are worth nothing at the end of their contracts ie Buttercup Johnson, Anya and soon to be Lawrence and Waghorn

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Originally Posted by mistaram

MA think I will let Geoff call this one to complicated for me This is what happens when you sign players of 26-27 for over inflated prices on three year contracts and are worth nothing at the end of their contracts ie Buttercup Johnson, Anya and soon to be Lawrence and Waghorn

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Both to go? 30 goals/assists between them this season.

Waggy has 1 more season left on his contract and Lawro 2.

However, with Waggy just having 1 season left, we have, IMO, 3 options.
1. Sell him now to get some money for him
2. Play him next season and then let him go on a free (play him and then give him another season at 31 not an option IMO)
3. Play him next season and then give him another season or 2 at at 31

Despite my opening line, I'd go with 1 and think Cocu might agree....... unless Coldplay goes elsewhere in which case it would have to be 2 or 3

Lawro? What an enigma. Sublime 1 day, ridiculous the next. Has so much to offer but very rarely does. On form he's absolutely brilliant. The rest of the time (90%) he is a luxury we can't afford IMO. In all honesty I can't see us getting an awful lot offered for him. £2M tops. I'd take it.

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

Both to go? 30 goals/assists between them this season.

Waggy has 1 more season left on his contract and Lawro 2.

However, with Waggy just having 1 season left, we have, IMO, 3 options.
1. Sell him now to get some money for him
2. Play him next season and then let him go on a free (play him and then give him another season at 31 not an option IMO)
3. Play him next season and then give him another season or 2 at at 31

Despite my opening line, I'd go with 1 and think Cocu might agree....... unless Coldplay goes elsewhere in which case it would have to be 2 or 3

Lawro? What an enigma. Sublime 1 day, ridiculous the next. Has so much to offer but very rarely does. On form he's absolutely brilliant. The rest of the time (90%) he is a luxury we can't afford IMO. In all honesty I can't see us getting an awful lot offered for him. £2M tops. I'd take it.

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You're joking surely, £2m tops? For an international player with goals and assists a plenty? Good job you're not the manager! Some people just can't see past their bias. Still, I'm sure there's a headless chicken somewhere we can all salivate over.

[QUOTE=AdiSalisbury;39541036]You're joking surely, £2m tops? For an international player with goals and assists a plenty? Good job you're not the manager! Some people just can't see past their bias. Still, I'm sure there's a headless chicken somewhere we can all salivate over.[/QUOTE

Adi I suppose it depends what your ambitions are . If you are prepared to wait every five or six games for Lawrence to produce that's fine .But just forget about promotion because in the Championship if your not at it every match you get found out you can't carry anybody . As for bias not sure what you mean he's just another player They come and they go if he was consistent he would be in the Prem but he's not that is why he never will play there . I think in the financial climate at the moment we certainly wouldn't be getting a fraction of 7million we spent on him

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Originally Posted by AdiSalisbury

You're joking surely, £2m tops? For an international player with goals and assists a plenty? Good job you're not the manager! Some people just can't see past their bias. Still, I'm sure there's a headless chicken somewhere we can all salivate over.[/QUOTE

Adi I suppose it depends what your ambitions are . If you are prepared to wait every five or six games for Lawrence to produce that's fine .But just forget about promotion because in the Championship if your not at it every match you get found out you can't carry anybody . As for bias not sure what you mean he's just another player They come and they go if he was consistent he would be in the Prem but he's not that is why he never will play there . I think in the financial climate at the moment we certainly wouldn't be getting a fraction of 7million we spent on him

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Give me a McGovern over a Kinkladze every day

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Originally Posted by AdiSalisbury

You're joking surely, £2m tops? For an international player with goals and assists a plenty? Good job you're not the manager! Some people just can't see past their bias. Still, I'm sure there's a headless chicken somewhere we can all salivate over.[/QUOTE

Adi I suppose it depends what your ambitions are . If you are prepared to wait every five or six games for Lawrence to produce that's fine .But just forget about promotion because in the Championship if your not at it every match you get found out you can't carry anybody . As for bias not sure what you mean he's just another player They come and they go if he was consistent he would be in the Prem but he's not that is why he never will play there . I think in the financial climate at the moment we certainly wouldn't be getting a fraction of 7million we spent on him

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Aye and isn't that the "Derby way"? Get a player none elses fancies for silly money and let him go for peanuts at the end or even part way through his contract? Its not the age of these players thats the issue, its that they flatter to deceive, or at least they deceive our scouts every ****ing time! Funny how we sign a teams "player of the season"and they immediately become crap at Derby!

How many millions have we spaffed on players like Blackman, Butterfield, Johnson (B), Anya et al? Near on £30 million Enough to assemble a half decent team capable of promotion!