O/T:- Climate Change

So people are happy to think that the media, and government hype surrounding covid, and the actual impact the virus had were about equal? Why do you think as KTD alludes to, that covid deaths were reported as 'dying within 28 days of testing positive for covid', and not OF covid. Purely to inflate the figures.

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Originally Posted by Magpies1959

So people are happy to think that the media, and government hype surrounding covid, and the actual impact the virus had were about equal? Why do you think as KTD alludes to, that covid deaths were reported as 'dying within 28 days of testing positive for covid', and not OF covid. Purely to inflate the figures.

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If you don't believe the figures, why did global death rates suddenly increase when Covid was around?

Do you accept that the jump was down to Covid?

If not, what else caused it?

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Originally Posted by kill_the_drum

Genuine question; does anyone know of a person that died directly due to Covid?
I know of 4 people that died (my grandad being one) and were stated as a Covid death, purely because they had Covid when they died. It played no part in them dying!
My grandad had terminal cancer and was 6 months past the doctors estimated life expectancy. He went into hospital when he took a turn for the worst. He died 5 days later and was classed as a Covid death.
He tested negative when he first arrived at the hospital and was tested again after he passed away!

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Yes a very good friend of mine died from Covid-19 in 2021 (not 'with Covid-19'). He was a happy and otherwise healthy 57 years old.

I didn't lose anyone directly but three friends lost a parent each. The ONS did differentiate between deaths of people with COVID and where COVID was a contributing factor to the death. The numbers were really not that very far apart.

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Originally Posted by Magpies1959

It is what happened, but you would always know better.

These so called experts, always give a worse case scenario, but it is always taken as what will actually happen. The pandemic being a prime example. All designed to scare the Florist out of us.

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I only always know better because I bother to check, because it's part of my work. I and everyone I know would be delighted if climate change wasn't a thing. Unfortunately it's impossible to ignore.

What the media does with climate scenarios is annoying and I don't necessarily disagree that they sensationalise rather than try to provide clear information, but it's my observation that the closer people are to the science, the more scared they are. This isn't a case of billionaires chuckling about the gullibility of everyone else.

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Originally Posted by kill_the_drum

Genuine question; does anyone know of a person that died directly due to Covid?
I know of 4 people that died (my grandad being one) and were stated as a Covid death, purely because they had Covid when they died. It played no part in them dying!
My grandad had terminal cancer and was 6 months past the doctors estimated life expectancy. He went into hospital when he took a turn for the worst. He died 5 days later and was classed as a Covid death.
He tested negative when he first arrived at the hospital and was tested again after he passed away!

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Yes, my brother, in September 2020.

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Originally Posted by Woodypie

Yes, my brother, in September 2020.

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I'm very sorry for your loss.

I don't personally know of anyone who died as a direct result of COVID, but no doubt lots of people do.

One thing is clear though - the government deliberately falsified the data to make the pandemic seem worse that it actually was. The question is, why?

Going back to the climate change issue, this is my major concern - that governments will hijack what is certainly an important issue and blow it out of all proportion, so they can introduce new laws and conditions that would otherwise be unacceptable to the public. They'll stoke fear until people are begging the government to control what we're allowed to do, where we're allowed to do it, and when.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that increases the government's control over our lives is fundamentally bad for most people - except in very extreme cases where top-down control is the only way to implement necessary changes. Is climate change one of those cases? No idea, but I think a lot of people no longer trust the government to act in our best interests.

i thought this was about Climate? ah well..... i'll go to the covid thread & maybe it continues there....

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Originally Posted by Dspig

i thought this was about Climate? ah well..... i'll go to the covid thread & maybe it continues there....

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The climate changed...

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Originally Posted by jackal2

The climate changed...

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What a witty fellow J2, but if wit was tit you wouldn't need a bra.