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10-07-2019, 11:40 AM
Geoff Parkstone

I guess the question is, which of the major two parties will tear itself apart first. Meantime the Libdems sit on the sidelines hoovering up scraps but are equally unfit for government, the brexit party is a one trick pony that will be irrelevant by 31-10 (or whenever) and the green party (which I admit to leaning towards myself) will continue to have increased relevance as the electorate gradually accept that our current energy and resources policy is short sighted and doomed to failure: but it will be so slow.

The next elections post Brexit will be interesting in a way, and potentially deadly boring in another (a bit like test cricket). Labour and Tories will be split by the brexit issue - maybe half of the Tories joining with the now redundant Brexit supporters to form a right wing power base. The labour party will be equally split, only there will be no-one for the left to align with. The centres of both parties may align with the libdems to create a centrist party, which might even get the most seats.

I foresee a hung parliament from now until I turn up my toes, leading to political torpor, a lack of direction and the inevitable inability to exploit whatever economic advantages brexit may deliver. Which is not to say that we should remain, because the brexit issue has broken the two party system, however it turns out, for a generation, if not more.

That may not be a bad thing, Proportional Representation may emerge from the wreckage, now the two major beneficiaries of the first past the post system are broken and dont fancy repeatedly coming third to no effect. If the influence of the extremes of the right and the left can be thus reduced to just "noise" this might be the biggest plus to come out of the whole brexit fiasco.
10-07-2019, 12:03 PM
AngryRam

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

That may not be a bad thing, Proportional Representation may emerge from the wreckage, now the two major beneficiaries of the first past the post system are broken and dont fancy repeatedly coming third to no effect. If the influence of the extremes of the right and the left can be thus reduced to just "noise" this might be the biggest plus to come out of the whole brexit fiasco.

Electoral colleges ? Surrey obviously being a key voting county.
Oh say can you see... 51st State? Now we are talking. They are all cousins of ours anyway.
10-07-2019, 12:03 PM
Trickytreesreds

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

I guess the question is, which of the major two parties will tear itself apart first. Meantime the Libdems sit on the sidelines hoovering up scraps but are equally unfit for government, the brexit party is a one trick pony that will be irrelevant by 31-10 (or whenever) and the green party (which I admit to leaning towards myself) will continue to have increased relevance as the electorate gradually accept that our current energy and resources policy is short sighted and doomed to failure: but it will be so slow.

The next elections post Brexit will be interesting in a way, and potentially deadly boring in another (a bit like test cricket). Labour and Tories will be split by the brexit issue - maybe half of the Tories joining with the now redundant Brexit supporters to form a right wing power base. The labour party will be equally split, only there will be no-one for the left to align with. The centres of both parties may align with the libdems to create a centrist party, which might even get the most seats.

I foresee a hung parliament from now until I turn up my toes, leading to political torpor, a lack of direction and the inevitable inability to exploit whatever economic advantages brexit may deliver. Which is not to say that we should remain, because the brexit issue has broken the two party system, however it turns out, for a generation, if not more.

That may not be a bad thing, Proportional Representation may emerge from the wreckage, now the two major beneficiaries of the first past the post system are broken and dont fancy repeatedly coming third to no effect. If the influence of the extremes of the right and the left can be thus reduced to just "noise" this might be the biggest plus to come out of the whole brexit fiasco.

You could be right GP.

But lets look at this mess in context.
First past the post has crucified Mr averages opinion.
MP's have ignored their constituents and voted which ever way it suited them, for whatever reason. Be it party or personal.

UKIP may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but when in an election a party scores more votes than Greens/Libs/SNP combined yet gets 1 MP?
This status quo has to stop.

That's why Brexit party gets my vote. If it means the Tories and Labour struggle, then it's all good for me.
10-07-2019, 01:38 PM
mistaram

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Originally Posted by AngryRam

Blimey a bit of grammar would help.. So basically we agree there are good and bad on both sides? I have no doubt there is huge waste in those companies you have quoted.
I've read that 5 times and am not 100% sure what you have said!!

Yes we agree there are good and bad in the private and the public sector. You favour the private sector ( of which I'm a member ) but I favour a mixture of both, But as I explained there seems an unfairness when you give tax payers money to private companies ,who then waste it without impunity . Or in the case of the companies i mentioned the tax payer paying the fine Apologies for the grammar didn't realise you needed a degree in English grammar to post a football site
10-07-2019, 02:20 PM
AngryRam

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Originally Posted by mistaram

Yes we agree there are good and bad in the private and the public sector. You favour the private sector ( of which I'm a member ) but I favour a mixture of both, But as I explained there seems an unfairness when you give tax payers money to private companies ,who then waste it without impunity . Or in the case of the companies i mentioned the tax payer paying the fine Apologies for the grammar didn't realise you needed a degree in English grammar to post a football site

Fair comment.
Private companies that abuse the public contract should be held to account, for sure.
I was not having a dig about the grammar, i'm not the king of that for sure. Your post was just difficult to read.
10-07-2019, 05:11 PM
Geoff Parkstone

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Originally Posted by mistaram

Yes we agree there are good and bad in the private and the public sector. You favour the private sector ( of which I'm a member ) but I favour a mixture of both, But as I explained there seems an unfairness when you give tax payers money to private companies ,who then waste it without impunity . Or in the case of the companies i mentioned the tax payer paying the fine Apologies for the grammar didn't realise you needed a degree in English grammar to post a football site

Get that company secretary of yours to type them, Mista.....
10-07-2019, 06:00 PM
mistaram

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

Get that company secretary of yours to type them, Mista.....

Geoff that's what happens when I use my dictaphone
10-07-2019, 06:14 PM
Geoff Parkstone

You should use your mobile for that instead, like the rest of us....
10-07-2019, 06:37 PM
ramAnag

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

You could be right GP.

But lets look at this mess in context.
First past the post has crucified Mr averages opinion.
MP's have ignored their constituents and voted which ever way it suited them, for whatever reason. Be it party or personal.

UKIP may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but when in an election a party scores more votes than Greens/Libs/SNP combined yet gets 1 MP?
This status quo has to stop.

That's why Brexit party gets my vote. If it means the Tories and Labour struggle, then it's all good for me.

Given your penchant for referenda Tricky, I’m surprised you don’t seem aware that we had a referendum on precisely this issue eight years ago.

The UK Alternative Vote Referendum took place in May 2011 when people were asked to vote on the following proposal...

‘At present the UK uses the first past the post system to elect MP’s. Should the alternative vote system be used instead?’

The voting was 32.10% in favour and 67.9% against. (71.2% in the East Midlands.)

Seems ‘Mr. Averages’ opinion differed quite markedly from yours but of course you’ll insist that we abide by the result.
Apparently the campaign was described as ‘bad tempered and ill informed’. Sound familiar?
10-07-2019, 06:49 PM
Trickytreesreds

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Given your penchant for referenda Tricky, I’m surprised you don’t seem aware that we had a referendum on precisely this issue eight years ago.

The UK Alternative Vote Referendum took place in May 2011 when people were asked to vote on the following proposal...

‘At present the UK uses the first past the post system to elect MP’s. Should the alternative vote system be used instead?’

The voting was 32.10% in favour and 67.9% against. (71.2% in the East Midlands.)

Seems ‘Mr. Averages’ opinion differed quite markedly from yours but of course you’ll insist that we abide by the result.
Apparently the campaign was described as ‘bad tempered and ill informed’. Sound familiar?

I remember it well RA.
Politics wasn't the farce it now though.
The feeling at the time, was Nick Clegg pushing for it for personal gain.

Seems that philosophy has riccochet'd into the Horizon since.
Do you think folks are still happy with it?

You seem to prefer the Libs, so would it benefit them?
I think folks are tacticle voting now because of first past the post.

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