Fracking - for or against?

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

I would never take my family to Blackpool anyway!

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I wouldn't even take myself to Blackpool 59/60, and I'm certainly not proud. If something is 95% certain, then it's not certain at all really is it ? But then, the degree of certainty isn't an issue for me, it's what we are doing to mitigate the potential harm I take issue with. Putting people out of work and into fuel poverty, while having a neglible effect on global warming isn't clever imo, it's virtue-signalling at the expense of the poorer members of society. And it shouldn't be happening.

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Originally Posted by sinkov

More on the great renewables scam,

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...t-you-to-know/

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Good find Sinkov
Interesting Germany still gets much of its electric from coal fired stations - how did they manage that.
Seems we implement EU directives and the others cherry pick.

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Originally Posted by Altobelli

And can anyone tell me where all this money combating climate change goes ?

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Ha, ha, very good question Alto, remember Air Passenger Duty, another Labour Stealth tax, they doubled the rate in 2007 on the pretext that it discourages air travel thus reducing CO2 emissions. Of course it does no such thing, the rich, the political classes and the establishment don't even notice it as they jet around the world at our expense, but it makes a difference to an ordinary family when they want a week in the sun. As always with this green crap, the government rakes in the money and it's the poorest amongst us that pays for it, higher air fares, higher energy bills, jobs lost, and none of it makes the slightest difference to global warming, but it makes the virtue signalling politicians feel better about themselves, as they can pretend they're making a difference.

Well, I'm glad you lot are not running the world economy!

Another view, and from a better source.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-as-costs-fall

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

Well, I'm glad you lot are not running the world economy!

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I think you'd find if one of us was running our economy you'd be better off and feel a lot safer in your daily life 59_60.

I'd bring back national service, 18 months for everyone.

Wholesale changes to Criminal law, building more prisons, instead of having not enough and toe rags given punitive sentences for their crimes because we have no room to lock them up.

Bring back enough Fire. Police, Hospitals and Military to cope with our every growing population.

Make our Border control harder than the US and Australia to pass.

Not sell National assets (have we got any left ?).

Stop overseas aid.

Change the way our Government is elected and run with no conflict of interests and make them do what they should be doing, being a public servant without lining their own pockets and acting like film stars.

Scrap the stupid rail plan and build new affordable homes with the Billions we are wasting on it.

Start proper apprentice factories.

Shake up the NHS and get rid of the dead wood pen pushing Managers bleeding money out of the system.

Have the balls to tell the EU where to go.

And more but enough to be going on with.

But nothing will change, the common man will get mugged and the rich get richer while our Country slowly sinks into the mire.

The Conservative conference confirmed how farcical our leaders are, Teresa May apologised for getting the General Election wrong and what happened ? She was given a standing ovation FFS !

Thanks for the warning Alto but you won't be getting my vote!

Nor mine!

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Originally Posted by 1959_60

Thanks for the warning Alto but you won't be getting my vote!

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Nor mine!

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Carry on moaning then :)

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Originally Posted by Altobelli

Carry on moaning then :)

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We will! :mad:

Christopher Booker in the Telegraph on the green energy scam. Please note it's Mr Booker who says our energy policy is insane, not me.

The true cost of wind power
MPs arriving at Westminster Tube station have lately been presented with a huge advertisement claiming that the cost of electricity from offshore wind farms has been cut by “50 per cent over the past five years”. Despite the fact that this was paid for by various green lobbyists, including Greenpeace, the WWF and foreign-based owners of offshore wind farms, it seems from comments by MPs, the BBC, journalists and even our energy minister Claire Perry, that they all believe this boast.
But The Global Warming Policy Foundation has complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that the poster could hardly be more outrageously misleading. It is based only on figures relating to two offshore wind farms that haven’t even been built yet and possibly never will be.
The official data, expertly analysed by Paul Homewood on his blog, Notalotofpeopleknowthat, show that last year we were all paying for offshore electricity through our household bills at nearly three times the going market rate, including subsidies of £1.4 billion. And this is still soaring so fast that, by 2021, we will be paying £3.1 billion a year for offshore wind energy, equating to £115 for every household in the land.
The Government may be babbling on about putting “a cap” on electricity bills. But nothing is pushing up those bills faster than its own ever-more-insane “green” energy policies.*
That people are allowed to hide this from us – and delude those gullible MPs into the bargain – is indeed outrageous.