o/t were will it end?

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Originally Posted by millmoormagic

You know what, i totally agree, and he put the Labour party back 15 years in the process, forever tainting it (in some people's eyes anyway...) as a party of war, shameful. Having said that, there was some good stuff that came from the Blair years, many schoold and hospitals were rebuilt and modernised.

I'm so glad the Labour party has now gone back to it's roots of fighting for the underprivileged...

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All they have to do is convince people like me & others what I would call a centrist moderate ex Labour voter who would never vote Tory to vote Labour....easy peasy...I don't think so.
This Jared O'Mara lad comes across as very immature & naive, still innocent until proven guilty but should be interesting how he can convince people from his constituency that he didn't make the recent remarks.
Btw I reckon there's not too much wrong with Nick Clegg.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

I think the behaviors you listed are unnaceptable on a sliding scale up to and including vappalling. How could anyone think otherwise? As I explained, I'm m not in the business of trying to brush poor behavior under the carpet because of the colour of the rossette worn by the person responsible.

Looking for an easy win? How do you reckon that works. I post when I have the inclination and can make time because I have a life beyond this board...

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I think that's the very business you're involved in, otherwise why comment on the misdemeanor by a Labour MP, you've got more bias towards the tories than you'd like folk to think to be honest, plainly.

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Originally Posted by Casper64Frank

All they have to do is convince people like me & others what I would call a centrist moderate ex Labour voter who would never vote Tory to vote Labour....easy peasy...I don't think so.
This Jared O'Mara lad comes across as very immature & naive, still innocent until proven guilty but should be interesting how he can convince people from his constituency that he didn't make the recent remarks.
Btw I reckon there's not too much wrong with Nick Clegg.

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Tell me Frank, which current Labour policy isn't 'moderate' in your eyes, i'm genuinely interested, there's all sorts of Bull written about the Labour party, usually by halfwits with another agenda, GF in particular, but i'd be surprised, if you read the policies, if you thought they were extreme in any way shape or form.

Nothing to do with moderate or extreme.
It's all down to cost. Renationalisation would cost a fortune.
They didn't have to pitch corporation tax as high. Very easy to print money & spend above your means.
How will Labour manage the £10 an hour living wage by 2020 ?
Not by raising corporation tax or hitting companies profits.
Pfi was introduced by John Major then Tony Blair, despite being warned contracts kept being increased.
The NHS is now a big black hole that swallows billions every year.

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Nothing to do with moderate or extreme.
It's all down to cost. Renationalisation would cost a fortune.
They didn't have to pitch corporation tax as high. Very easy to print money & spend above your means.
How will Labour manage the £9 an hour living wage by 2020 ?
Not by raising corporation tax or hitting companies profits.
Pfi was introduced by John Major then Tony Blair, despite being warned contracts kept being increased.
The NHS is now a big black hole that swallows billions evrry year.

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Thanks for the reply Frank, much appreciated.

Nationalisation will cost a lot of money no doubt about that, but it's all about perspective isn't it, i'd much rather we curb tax avoidance and use much of that to re-nationalise than allow the status quo. For rail nationalisation for example, the gov't simply takes over the franchise as and when they come up for tender.

As for the corporation tax, it's currently at 21%, Labour aim to raise that to 26%, Germany's is 29%, France's is 33%, USA's is 44%, why is that such a huge thing.

The rise in the living wage is a no brainer, a win/win for all, people at the lower end spend what they've got Frank, more money being spent on essentials, more work for British folk, less reliance on welfare....

The NHS takes a huge amount of money granted, it's no black hole though is it, that money goes for essential care 24/7, essential surgery and support 24/7 all over the country, it's a great thing, a great thing, the alternative? take a look at America Frank, do we really want that over here?

PFI, yes Frank, we facked that right up didn't we.

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Originally Posted by Casper64Frank

Either that or have your @rse-hole stitched up.

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How would I communicate Frank?

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How would I communicate Frank?

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Like that one gm_gm, I know quite a few like you......me included.

mmm you ought to take the rose tinted specs off & have a reality check.
When the Tories announced a £9 living wage Tim Martin - Weatherspoons & others started bleating about it being unaffordable.
Tim Martin voted to come out of the EU, he's recently invested in Dublin, it's his cash he can invest where he wants. TIM Martin is of Irish descent, check out the corporation tax in Dublin Bob & ask yourself why people are moving their cash there.

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Like that one gm_gm, I know quite a few like you......me included.

mmm you ought to take the rose tinted specs off & have a reality check.
When the Tories announced a £9 living wage Tim Martin - Weatherspoons & others started bleating about it being unaffordable.
Tim Martin voted to come out of the EU, he's recently invested in Dublin, it's his cash he can invest where he wants. TIM Martin is of Irish descent, check out the corporation tax in Dublin Bob & ask yourself why people are moving their cash there.

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As someone who owns a residence in West Cork and now having to spend increasing amounts of time here I can tell you it’s not that straightforward. It’s not so simple and both high corporation tax or low corporation tax systems have their benefits and also their pitfalls and problems. It is possible to have a decent economy with either approach but the crucial thing is what you do with the tax income and regulation As a businessman I am I actually against removal of most regulations because I have seen far too many examples where employers simply will not acknowledge and embrace the wider responsibilities that come with the freedoms of being in business

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Originally Posted by Casper64Frank

Like that one gm_gm, I know quite a few like you......me included.

mmm you ought to take the rose tinted specs off & have a reality check.
When the Tories announced a £9 living wage Tim Martin - Weatherspoons & others started bleating about it being unaffordable.
Tim Martin voted to come out of the EU, he's recently invested in Dublin, it's his cash he can invest where he wants. TIM Martin is of Irish descent, check out the corporation tax in Dublin Bob & ask yourself why people are moving their cash there.

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Frank, i know the pitfalls, and i know that the Irish have a low corporation tax, but if we want to build a decent country, with decent jobs and pay, we have to break the cycle of kowtowing to big businesses with only interest in low wage economy and high profits, if we want our kids to, in reality, run up massive uni debts but then have no real high earning jobs to go into then let's carry on as we are....but let's face it, if you're citing Tim Martin, a bloke so obviously two faced it's unreal, then it's time we packed up and went home, Tim Martin was prominent in the Leave campaign, now you're telling me he's investing in the EU, what an arrishole he is, much like Dyson, bleating about leaving the EU, and championing brexit, only to close his British factories and move them to Malaysia or somewhere.