O/T Demonic Cummings.

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Originally Posted by mistaram

Not like you to be provocative Geoff are you changing your ways

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😜

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

Quick question. I think we all accept that it is wrong to be prejudiced against members of any minority group on the basis of race, ***uality, age, beliefs or whatever, especially when one has no idea about the attributes, qualities or skill sets of those people.

I think we also all accept that, despite a parliamentary majority, the current tory government enjoys the support of a minority of the electorate.

So if the statement in paragraph one is true, why is it acceptable to make derogatory remarks about a Conservative, minority, supporter when you, by your own admission, know bugger all about his attributes???

Just being provocative for a Saturday evening.

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1) I’m not being ‘prejudiced’. Prejudice is ‘pre-conceived opinion that is not based on reason or experience’. My feelings about Cummings are all based on both reason and experience.
2) I didn’t say I knew ‘bugger all about his attributes’. I actually outlined them in my opening post. I said I didn’t claim to be more expert on the subject than Adi, Andy or mista.

What’s so special about Saturday evening? You’ve been ‘provocative’ for the sake of it since the ‘lockdown’ started. ;D

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

1) I’m not being ‘prejudiced’. Prejudice is ‘pre-conceived opinion that is not based on reason or experience’. My feelings about Cummings are all based on both reason and experience.

erm, right. So you have met him, chatted over his opinions with him on things covid related and applied your reason and experience to assess his skill set to strategise responses to the virus (or whatever this committee is supposed to do). Or maybe, just maybe, you have heard stuff in the media reporting on his general views and opinions with which you disagree, and this is coloured your view s on his abilities to fulfill a role that neither of us even know what it is! That sounds very pre conceived and prejudiced (pre judged) to me

2) I didn’t say I knew ‘bugger all about his attributes’. I actually outlined them in my opening post. I said I didn’t claim to be more expert on the subject than Adi, Andy or mista.

And I have no clue as to his abilities to participate in decision making either, but unlike you I do not state that he is "flawed" and "unqualified". I'm sure that you have sat on may school governor meetings and thought to yourself "why is such and such a person here, they know nothing about teaching" - I know I have - but he has been appointed, much like parent governors I imagine, to give a little "perspective"


What’s so special about Saturday evening? You’ve been ‘provocative’ for the sake of it since the ‘lockdown’ started. ;D

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Having been accused of casual racism myself, it seems appropriate to point out your equivalent!

Let's just stare at the elephant in the room shall we.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-labour-urges

Whatever this paper writes, he repeats it in here.
Is he on the payroll?

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Various attendees of Sage told the Guardian that both Cummings and Warner had been taking part in meetings of the group as far back as February and had not merely observed but actively participated in discussions about the formation of advice.

Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, said there were significant questions for the government to answer over the credibility of its decision-making and how non-scientists have influenced policy, calling for minutes of meetings to be made public.

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

Having been accused of casual racism myself, it seems appropriate to point out your equivalent!

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Weird reply...so now we have to have met and chatted with someone to form an opinion do we? I have many opinions of people I haven’t ‘met and chatted to’ as do we all. Are they all now invalid because you’ve set this new criteria? Maybe you need a rethink on Corbyn amongst others. ;D

He is a historian and a political being who is suddenly on a scientific and medical body making decisions about how to handle a pandemic. He hasn’t been elected, he isn’t a scientist or a medic. Asking why he’s there doesn’t seem unreasonable.

No idea how my comments are any sort of ‘equivalent’ of your - possible - ‘casual racism’. Perhaps you’d like to explain, because it just sounds a bit like ‘tit for tat’ bollux at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

Let's just stare at the elephant in the room shall we.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-labour-urges

Whatever this paper writes, he repeats it in here.
Is he on the payroll?

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Various attendees of Sage told the Guardian that both Cummings and Warner had been taking part in meetings of the group as far back as February and had not merely observed but actively participated in discussions about the formation of advice.

Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, said there were significant questions for the government to answer over the credibility of its decision-making and how non-scientists have influenced policy, calling for minutes of meetings to be made public.

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Tricky so what part of transparency are you afraid of .

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Originally Posted by mistaram

Tricky so what part of transparency are you afraid of .

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Nothing at all. But transparency only seems to be one sided in the press. I'd love to see transparency in everything. I'm still waiting for the book of shame over the Muslim rape gangs.

Do you or do you not agree about the NHS story in the Gaurdian?
NHS shouldn't have to raise money and should have funds at its request.
Yet gives away £115 M in free treatment- never mentioned?

My reply is based on RA's transparency questions are all off Guardian front pages.
Perhaps there should be a link to it everyday, so we can reply without him having to ask?
My disdain of the Guardian, is that it plays on peoples emotions to rile them. If it isn't ethnic outrage, it's poor desperate migrants, travelling across Europe with their iphones after paying thousands to trafficers..
Thats why you get the likes of Owen Jones promoting his gay outrage, Ash Sakar with her imperialistic hatred and Muslim superiority complexes.

That's why folks in here and all over the country are fed up with it. That being told your British/white/christian/straight/honest/non transgenda is some kind of shame you have to drag around with you.
Lies lies lies.

Read this and see if it gives you better picture. Its from a few years ago, but you must recall the event.

https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/22/...n-of-villainy/

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Weird reply...so now we have to have met and chatted with someone to form an opinion do we? I have many opinions of people I haven’t ‘met and chatted to’ as do we all. Are they all now invalid because you’ve set this new criteria? Maybe you need a rethink on Corbyn amongst others. ;D

He is a historian and a political being who is suddenly on a scientific and medical body making decisions about how to handle a pandemic. He hasn’t been elected, he isn’t a scientist or a medic. Asking why he’s there doesn’t seem unreasonable.

No idea how my comments are any sort of ‘equivalent’ of your - possible - ‘casual racism’. Perhaps you’d like to explain, because it just sounds a bit like ‘tit for tat’ bollux at the moment.

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I fully admit to being prejudiced against Corbyn and his political coterie. Shame you cannot accept the same

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

I fully admit to being prejudiced against Corbyn and his political coterie. Shame you cannot accept the same

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If you wish to share that all your criticisms of Corbyn have been based on ‘prejudice’ and thus not on reason or experience, GP...that’s up to you.
My opinions, criticisms and plaudits are more reasoned and based on what I know.

How do you "know"? I will grant you may have read in the media, you may have seen stuff on the net, but you "know"... no. The Russian people thought Stalin was a hero first class in the midst of the purges. They read in the media this was so. I genuinely would love to learn how you know all about Cummings?