Question Time Tonight

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Originally Posted by great_fire

BBC only has him on because he's an avid Remainer (Rejoiner now).

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Well it's not going to make any difference is it seen as both the government and the opposition aren't pursuing rejoining so much as the SM and CU anytime soon .

Besides if that was the case why didn't they invite a Lib Dem on who is currently in parliament ?

Everyone knows Campbell , New Labour and the present Labour Party are massively pro EU and he's unlikely to say anything that he hasn't said before .

It doesn't much matter what he says does it in the grand scheme of things .

That said he's bang right that anyone who served in the Johnson cabinet and defended the indefensible up until last week shouldn't be anywhere near getting the top job in the country .

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

That said he's bang right that anyone who served in the Johnson cabinet and defended the indefensible up until last week shouldn't be anywhere near getting the top job in the country .

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Yes but he's Alastair Campbell, he can't talk about ethics and standards and honesty, you don't seen to get that.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

BBC only has him on because he's an avid Remainer (Rejoiner now).

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What point are you actually making here, gf?

Lots of people voted remain and a large number of people would like to rejoin the EU. They are entitled to hold and express those views, just as you are entitled to disagree with them.

I don't think you've quite got the hang of freedom of expression and impartiality. You, Grist and a few others seem to believe that impartiality BBC means only allowing people to express views that you agree with.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

What point are you actually making here, gf?

Lots of people voted remain and a large number of people would like to rejoin the EU. They are entitled to hold and express those views, just as you are entitled to disagree with them.

I don't think you've quite got the hang of freedom of expression and impartiality. You, Grist and a few others seem to believe that impartiality BBC means only allowing people to express views that you agree with.

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Almost every episode of Question Time since 2016 has had a majority of Remainers on it, even though their vote was only 48%.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Yes but he's Alastair Campbell, he can't talk about ethics and standards and honesty, you don't seen to get that.

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I didn't say he had any ethics I said he was passionate and engaging in my opinion .

Campbell was a New Labour enforcer , a spin doctor and the man who kept everyone in line behind Blair , his former job description pretty much tells you honesty and ethics weren't the reason he was so effective .

If everyone who went on Question Time had to be honest and ethical the audience would be sat looking at Fiona Bruce and four empty chairs .

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Almost every episode of Question Time since 2016 has had a majority of Remainers on it, even though their vote was only 48%.

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Well that can work the other way too if your facts are correct .

I remember Emily Thornbury on QT in the September before the GE in December 2019 and she just about handed Johnson the keys to number 10 on Labour's Brexit position , which wasn't any position what so ever .

It was cringeworthy .

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Almost every episode of Question Time since 2016 has had a majority of Remainers on it, even though their vote was only 48%.

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Where are your figures from?

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

Well that can work the other way too if your facts are correct .

I remember Emily Thornbury on QT in the September before the GE in December 2019 and she just about handed Johnson the keys to number 10 on Labour's Brexit position , which wasn't any position what so ever .

It was cringeworthy .

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That’s a bit unfair on QT. What about if they decided to put the leader of the Labour Party on?

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

Well that can work the other way too if your facts are correct .

I remember Emily Thornbury on QT in the September before the GE in December 2019 and she just about handed Johnson the keys to number 10 on Labour's Brexit position , which wasn't any position what so ever .

It was cringeworthy .

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In fairness to Labour, they were between a rock and a hard place when it came to Brexit. They are a party that has relied upon the support of two very different sections of the electorate in recent years - the traditional Northern voters and young liberal graduates. On Brexit those two bodies held very different views which left Labour trying not to alienate either.

It was the same minefield that Starmer is currently trying to negotiate.

A couple of people in the audience made me laugh last night when they said - in terms - that it's time to move on from Brexit. We can't - not while motorways in Kent are operating as lorry parks and Northern Ireland is threatening to blow up.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

In fairness to Labour, they were between a rock and a hard place when it came to Brexit. They are a party that has relied upon the support of two very different sections of the electorate in recent years - the traditional Northern voters and young liberal graduates. On Brexit those two bodies held very different views which left Labour trying not to alienate either.

It was the same minefield that Starmer is currently trying to negotiate.

A couple of people in the audience made me laugh last night when they said - in terms - that it's time to move on from Brexit. We can't - not while motorways in Kent are operating as lorry parks and Northern Ireland is threatening to blow up.

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Found it ,

https://youtu.be/CSa2wvJCIEc

Even between a rock and a hard place this was bizarre .

I agree Kerr on Starmer's position , he's calculating I guess on the pro EU Labour vote holding their noses at the next GE but the risk is they could transfer their vote to the Dems which would more than likely lead to a Tory victory .

If he goes the other way he won't make much head wind in the former Red Wall and probably wouldn't bite too much in to the Tory shires who would LB if they weren't voting Tory .

He's probably chosen the right option in a calculated risk strategy because he's lost the Red Wall and needs it back but he hasn't yet lost the Remain vote ........ As yet .

I can't imagine for one minute the Dems will be forming a government any time soon so any Labour voter who switches to the Dems could simply be electing another Tory government .

They've no option but to hold their noses as uncomfortable as that may be for many and play the longer game and hope closer links can be formed with the EU under a Labour government .

Personally I wish the referendum had never happened , not because I think the EU is that great , it isn't .

It's just caused too much shyte for me and if I could have my time again I'd have stayed at home that day .