Lee Carsley and the National Anthem - O/T (ish)

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

But what if like me you don’t have any commitment to king or queen? Do you have to sing along and pretend that you do? I would like to see the royal family consigned to the realms of history. By all means keep the royal palaces open as a tourist attraction, because they are part of our heritage, but I can’t justify being forced to pay for their pampered lifestyles.

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Best that you don't apply Elite, then you won't have to worry.

Performative outrage

Being required to sing the National Anthem of the country you are playing for or managing should be a pre-requisite of the role. If you don't want to sing it, don't be involved.

We're going soft by saying well if he doesn't want to or if he feels offended by it. How pathetic some sound. How about saying that he doesn't want to play southerners or people from the Black Country because he didn't like them - would that be acceptable?

It's should be part of his job - you can't pick and choose. The FA should grow a pair and stop being doormats.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

Being required to sing the National Anthem of the country you are playing for or managing should be a pre-requisite of the role. If you don't want to sing it, don't be involved.

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So you have to be a hypocrite and be forced to sing about something you don’t believe in?

Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

We're going soft by saying well if he doesn't want to or if he feels offended by it. How pathetic some sound. How about saying that he doesn't want to play southerners or people from the Black Country because he didn't like them - would that be acceptable?

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Going soft. Wow. By simply accepting another human being has a different opinion and way of working that doesn’t match with your own. Okay. Some solid levels of understanding here.

Not once has LC mentioned anything about being offended by anything. He’s also not signing it because he doesn’t like it.

He’s stated his reasoning and he’s done it (or indeed not) his whole career. No one cared when he was U21 manager.

Storm in a tea cup;

Man makes choice.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

Being required to sing the National Anthem of the country you are playing for or managing should be a pre-requisite of the role. If you don't want to sing it, don't be involved.

We're going soft by saying well if he doesn't want to or if he feels offended by it. How pathetic some sound. How about saying that he doesn't want to play southerners or people from the Black Country because he didn't like them - would that be acceptable?

It's should be part of his job - you can't pick and choose. The FA should grow a pair and stop being doormats.

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TerribleOpinionsPie strikes again.

Did Alf Ramsey sing along to it? I've heard that he didn't, but then until around the mid-1980s the TV cameras didn't tend to get in the face of the manager pre-match and you didn't have hand held cameras walking along the line-ups to see who was singing and who wasn't. OK, players ought not to be jumping up and down and engaging in warm up routines whilst the national anthem is being played, but nobody should be forced or shamed into singing or making any other kind of gesture.

Scotland lined-up to "God Save the Queen" during the 1978 World Cup at least, and maybe one or two other World Cups after that - because it's the British anthem, not English specifically. It probably should be changed but I don't see how it could be changed now without it either being dismissed as either racist and connected to slavery (by picking something more traditional) or woke (if they get some contemporary composer to come up with something).

I'd love it if we sang Jerusalem for the footy like they do for rugby. It's a weird song that mixes heavy religious imagery with early 19th century anti-industrial sentiment... so lyrically is very old-fashioned, but it's traditional and a lot more stirring than that miserable god save the bloomin' king!

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Originally Posted by LeftPeg_Pie

Going soft. Wow. By simply accepting another human being has a different opinion and way of working that doesn’t match with your own. Okay. Some solid levels of understanding here.

Not once has LC mentioned anything about being offended by anything. He’s also not signing it because he doesn’t like it.

He’s stated his reasoning and he’s done it (or indeed not) his whole career. No one cared when he was U21 manager.

Storm in a tea cup;

Man makes choice.

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He did it out of respect due to his previous involvement with Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

Being required to sing the National Anthem of the country you are playing for or managing should be a pre-requisite of the role. If you don't want to sing it, don't be involved.

We're going soft by saying well if he doesn't want to or if he feels offended by it. How pathetic some sound. How about saying that he doesn't want to play southerners or people from the Black Country because he didn't like them - would that be acceptable?

It's should be part of his job - you can't pick and choose. The FA should grow a pair and stop being doormats.

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It's a song. Why do you care? The manager is employed to make the team perform, not to sing songs. I couldn't care less if he sings it or doesn't sing it. It's 100% up to him.