OT Border Control State of Emergency

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Originally Posted by Eternal Optimist

Nailed it, Yak. It's the Kalergi Plan unfolding in real time.

If you put yourself in the position of the people who are orchestrating this you can see that it's all been staged.

Utter a single word of discomfort and you're instantly labelled a Far Right waycist.

I don't care about the nationalities nor the hue of the skin of those incoming. What I resent is the deceit of the orchestrators together with their sock puppets. Liars all.

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Why would the recent governments be happy to allow this situation? Seems to cause a lot of political damage to me, how is Starmer, and those before them gaining from it?

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Why would the recent governments be happy to allow this situation? Seems to cause a lot of political damage to me, how is Starmer, and those before them gaining from it?

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Great question. The previous governments all chose to stop the boats or smash the gangs.none of them have.
The leaders have been nothing but puppets in a game played in front of our eyes.

The European governments have been the same. The Americans under the democrats were the same. There are a few that haven?t allowed it to happen and they have been fined large sums of money.

Political damage to a party isn?t the same as a political leader being able to make millions after they leave office.

It?s shameful. It?s not the political set up that we grew up with!

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Originally Posted by frogmiller

Great question. The previous governments all chose to stop the boats or smash the gangs.none of them have.
The leaders have been nothing but puppets in a game played in front of our eyes.

The European governments have been the same. The Americans under the democrats were the same. There are a few that haven?t allowed it to happen and they have been fined large sums of money.

Political damage to a party isn?t the same as a political leader being able to make millions after they leave office.

It?s shameful. It?s not the political set up that we grew up with!

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Or it could be that we have millions of displaced people coming throughout Europe, many of whom would risk their lives to get to a place where they want to claim asylum and it might be that it is simply difficult to stop that flow of people without military force which is currently against international law. Governments representing their people them have very difficult decisions in acting under that law. Some parties would like to suggest using military force and breaking international laws, and have stood for elections across Europe but as yet, haven't achieved power as the majority of people haven't voted for them on the back of those policies (except Hungary? ).

So conservatives and now Labour have never had the mandate from their people sufficient enough to act on such suggestions. I suspect that if Farage is looking likely to seriously challenge there will be enough Labour, lib dems, tory and all others that will tactically vote to stop them as currently I think the majority of people recognise the complexity of the situation and wouldn't have the appetite for extreme solutions such as escalating a military action against France etc which is where we'd end up on acting without international consent.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Or it could be that we have millions of displaced people coming throughout Europe, many of whom would risk their lives to get to a place where they want to claim asylum and it might be that it is simply difficult to stop that flow of people without military force which is currently against international law. Governments representing their people them have very difficult decisions in acting under that law. Some parties would like to suggest using military force and breaking international laws, and have stood for elections across Europe but as yet, haven't achieved power as the majority of people haven't voted for them on the back of those policies (except Hungary? ).

So conservatives and now Labour have never had the mandate from their people sufficient enough to act on such suggestions. I suspect that if Farage is looking likely to seriously challenge there will be enough Labour, lib dems, tory and all others that will tactically vote to stop them as currently I think the majority of people recognise the complexity of the situation and wouldn't have the appetite for extreme solutions such as escalating a military action against France etc which is where we'd end up on acting without international consent.

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Is rioting and burning down asylum centres considered a mandate to do something?

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Or it could be that we have millions of displaced people coming throughout Europe, many of whom would risk their lives to get to a place where they want to claim asylum and it might be that it is simply difficult to stop that flow of people without military force which is currently against international law. Governments representing their people them have very difficult decisions in acting under that law. Some parties would like to suggest using military force and breaking international laws, and have stood for elections across Europe but as yet, haven't achieved power as the majority of people haven't voted for them on the back of those policies (except Hungary? ).

So conservatives and now Labour have never had the mandate from their people sufficient enough to act on such suggestions. I suspect that if Farage is looking likely to seriously challenge there will be enough Labour, lib dems, tory and all others that will tactically vote to stop them as currently I think the majority of people recognise the complexity of the situation and wouldn't have the appetite for extreme solutions such as escalating a military action against France etc which is where we'd end up on acting without international consent.

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I wonder how complex the issue would be if we stopped the benefits and put them all in tents rather than hotels. Maybe stop giving the mobile phones and lap top, driving lessons etc. I think it would clear up the complexity pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by Yak

I wonder how complex the issue would be if we stopped the benefits and put them all in tents rather than hotels. Maybe stop giving the mobile phones and lap top, driving lessons etc. I think it would clear up the complexity pretty quickly.

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What evidence is there that the state are giving AS laptops? This keeps getting mentioned by only ever seems to be a mate who followed them around and saw them on the phone/laptop/jacuzzi. Surely if the state were issuing money that is over and above what AS are entitled to, just the same as they get in all other euro countries, there are enough people desperate to prove it to be true to have revealed it. But it hasn't because it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill

Is rioting and burning down asylum centres considered a mandate to do something?

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No

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

What evidence is there that the state are giving AS laptops? This keeps getting mentioned by only ever seems to be a mate who followed them around and saw them on the phone/laptop/jacuzzi. Surely if the state were issuing money that is over and above what AS are entitled to, just the same as they get in all other euro countries, there are enough people desperate to prove it to be true to have revealed it. But it hasn't because it isn't.

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My family member works for the organisation supplying them.
That enough evidence?
They also get driving lessons and free gym etc.
it’s 100% true unless of course your part of the morning to see here brigade.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Or it could be that we have millions of displaced people coming throughout Europe, many of whom would risk their lives to get to a place where they want to claim asylum and it might be that it is simply difficult to stop that flow of people without military force which is currently against international law. Governments representing their people them have very difficult decisions in acting under that law. Some parties would like to suggest using military force and breaking international laws, and have stood for elections across Europe but as yet, haven't achieved power as the majority of people haven't voted for them on the back of those policies (except Hungary? ).

So conservatives and now Labour have never had the mandate from their people sufficient enough to act on such suggestions. I suspect that if Farage is looking likely to seriously challenge there will be enough Labour, lib dems, tory and all others that will tactically vote to stop them as currently I think the majority of people recognise the complexity of the situation and wouldn't have the appetite for extreme solutions such as escalating a military action against France etc which is where we'd end up on acting without international consent.

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I?m leaving at this.

You chose Hungary as an example but what about all the Islamic nations taking in their fair share?

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Originally Posted by Yak

My family member works for the organisation supplying them.
That enough evidence?
They also get driving lessons and free gym etc.
it’s 100% true unless of course your part of the morning to see here brigade.

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What's the name of the organisation that you say are being funded by the government to supply laptops and driving lessons to asylum seekers that are still awaiting their claims to be processed. My pals a journalist and keen to explore this