O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

You should know the rules by now.

If you don't worship Donald Trump, you are a lefty.

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That's the distinct impression I've got from this clown show lately.

I don't think immigration is a problem but illegal immigration is. Boatloads of young men coming here with no passports and not knowing where they are from or if they have a criminal past is what scares many people. That's not racism it's a understandable reaction.

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Originally Posted by Jampie

Multiculturalism isn't the cause of the population crisis or immigration so whinging about it achieves nothing. If anything it distracts from the real issue. I also think people's complaints about multiculturalism are hugely overblown, and that it can be made to work quite well. My city has about 30% of its population born overseas. We don't have any major issues caused by multiculturalism.

What is "emotionally reasoned" and can you give me an example of me doing this?

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No, but forced, multiculturalism is the result with unstemmed, illegal migration being salt in the wound. If you went to any country with such a fast changed demographic, additional to benefits which continue to entice every third World person who can get there, you will find resentment.

Those that argue that the UK thrives on immigration, would do well to explain why it's such a **** show?

Trump is said to 'crave' an Nobel peace prize, he certainly should not be rewarded with one for extirpating the Palestinians if that came to pass.

According to the BBC 36,816 people arrived in Britain by small boats in 2024... out of 1.2 million total immigrants that's a drop in the bucket.

I'm sure there are other forms of illegal immigration (like flying over and overstaying a visa) but I feel rather strongly that illegal immigration is largely a smokescreen issue politicians throw up to hide the fact that they wholeheartedly support massive immigration. They do the same in the US and Australia.

I'm not saying illegal immigration is ok or that nothing should be done about it. I am saying, though, that the people convincing you that it's a big problem are lying, and using it to cover for the fact that their policy is to shovel a million people a year into the country.

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Originally Posted by Jampie

UK's pop growth last year was 455,230, total immigration was 1.2 million. So without huge immigration UK's population would be aging and collapsing at the same time, which I can tell you will result in economic collapse pretty quickly.

Like every single first world nation, the UK depends on immigration to continue to function. Like, at all.

If you aimed for steady population / no growth, you would also collapse because your population would continue to age until the point where you had more retirees than workforce. Fundamentally, the only way to solve this to make more babies, but first world nations have proven completely incapable of addressing this issue for the last several decades.

Hell, we haven't had a sensible discussion about it let alone proposed a solution, let alone implemented one.

Every single article convincing you to be angry about immigration without even bringing up this issue is lying to you. Every article that paints immigration as anything but a bipartisan platform policy is lying to you. There is no major party in any first world nation with an even remotely credible plan to solve this issue. All of them intend to kick the can down the road with huge immigration, indefinitely.

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This is true in the current paradigm, but who knows what the future holds with AI and other emerging technologies completely reshaping our notions of society, economy, work, productivity, purpose, etc.

Re birth rates - it's obviously a complex and multifaceted issue, but I'd imagine the main reasons why people born here are having fewer babies include a sense that our society is in terminal decline, inability for the average couple to own a home, the fixation on careers over family, and the rapid move away from conservative values.

Expanding our population by bringing in millions of foreigners seems a very short-sighted sticking-plaster-type solution to a problem that needs addressing at the root level.

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Originally Posted by Jampie

According to the BBC 36,816 people arrived in Britain by small boats in 2024... out of 1.2 million total immigrants that's a drop in the bucket.

I'm sure there are other forms of illegal immigration (like flying over and overstaying a visa) but I feel rather strongly that illegal immigration is largely a smokescreen issue politicians throw up to hide the fact that they wholeheartedly support massive immigration. They do the same in the US and Australia.

I'm not saying illegal immigration is ok or that nothing should be done about it. I am saying, though, that the people convincing you that it's a big problem are lying, and using it to cover for the fact that their policy is to shovel a million people a year into the country.

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It's the fact that there are few measures in place to de-incentivise the arrivals which angers people. Preferential treatment for healthcare etc as well as full board accommodation in which many of these men, refuse to even share a room and continually take the piss in regard to the treatment they think we owe them. They get language courses, smart phones and credit and a recent report states that they're now being given Xboxes!

The liberals will not allow them to be held in any kind of camp or controlled environment which exacerbates the issue as does the insistence on applying the misused, human rights laws which permit serious criminals to remain in the UK on ridiculous grounds. It's undeniable also that some lawyers are complicit, in helping illegals, make claims on ever ridiculous grounds.

Starmer continues to throw good money after bad, overseas, at the same time as stripping resources from local councils. Regardless of staffing issues in the various departments which the left continually blame, steps have to be taken to remove people pdq, Trump seems to be able to do it.

Is it any wonder that people are angry.

Biological women only in women?s sports now that?s a more sensible proposal as opposed to the Gaza one.

Terrible times ahead for the loony left.

They?re all coming out of their caves (especially on NCM).

Trump with the speed of his popular reforms.

Albanese is going be thrown out of power in Australia.

Trudeau leaving the sinking ship in Canada

And

Now

Farage leading in the latest UK polls.

Oh happy days 🤣🤣. The silent majority is regaining its mojo and no longer remaining silent.

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Originally Posted by Med Pie

It's the fact that there are few measures in place to de-incentivise the arrivals which angers people. Preferential treatment for healthcare etc as well as full board accommodation in which many of these men, refuse to even share a room and continually take the piss in regard to the treatment they think we owe them. They get language courses, smart phones and credit and a recent report states that they're now being given Xboxes!

The liberals will not allow them to be held in any kind of camp or controlled environment which exacerbates the issue as does the insistence on applying the misused, human rights laws which permit serious criminals to remain in the UK on ridiculous grounds. It's undeniable also that some lawyers are complicit, in helping illegals, make claims on ever ridiculous grounds.

Starmer continues to throw good money after bad, overseas, at the same time as stripping resources from local councils. Regardless of staffing issues in the various departments which the left continually blame, steps have to be taken to remove people pdq, Trump seems to be able to do it.

Is it any wonder that people are angry.

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The BBC says just over 36,000 arrived in the UK by boat across the channel in 2024. Did they stand and count every single one or is there a remote possibility that quite a few got over without being noticed?