O/T Coronavirus Thread (3)

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Originally Posted by John2

I'd say urban areas in developed countries offer a more meaningful comparison than you're giving credit for.

Shops and offices, and property etc have building codes designed around human capacity. Humans are remarkably consistent. You go into an office in any developed city in the world and you'd probably not see a massive difference in the density. Same with supermarkets, etc.

You may get some bigger differences depending on the nature of the public transportation, and number if people you come into contact with.

Certainly not meaningless though, unlike overall population density. More densely populated cities just tend to build 'up' so that each person can have the space a human needs.

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Originally Posted by John2

I'd be interested to know the average number of stories of a building in London vs Auckland rather than comparing just this figure.

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I have to say that I am disappointed by your response, John. You took a bum point and either can’t see it or can’t back down.
The population density is exactly the figure that you should compare.

I have never been to Auckland and so have to be careful when commenting, but as NZ is a country with a low population density, I think it inevitable that the city will have far fewer high rise buildings than London. And that is precisely part of the point that I am making. High rise buildings necessarily have communal areas and lifts, which will provide a route via which the virus will have the opportunity to spread (just think entry keypads and lift buttons - and that’s only part of it). That’s why population density matters. Add to that, travel; as I have said, I have never been to NZ, but upon a quick Google, I see that Auckland is currently building a small underground rail system. I would imagine that they haven’t bothered until now because the population density made it neither necessary nor viable. Compare that to London where public transport is really the only viable way of moving around the city. Again, that provides spreading opportunities.

And on the question of travel, think Heathrow, which shifts about 80 million passengers per years compared to Auckland at 21 million. When dealing with an illness that is capable of having an exponential growth rate, that difference really matters. And Heathrow is just one of the airports serving London.

You could say the hand that this country was dealt called for a careful and vigorous response to the pandemic and you would be right, but a comparison with NZ is a joke. The one with Germany is much more significant

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Originally Posted by Exiletyke

Stalling for time are we?
"I believe" is more than a bit vague is it not
OK tell us what yours is called

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The Barnsley nipicker hard at work in his natural environment. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Exiletyke

Stalling for time are we?
"I believe" is more than a bit vague is it not
OK tell us what yours is called

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Stalling for time? What am I waiting for?

Why on earth would I put documents up on here? I am not a performing seal and by suggesting that I do, you have got Mikey's sphincter twitching to the point where he is already making excuses to guard against the possibility of me doing so.

I can't resist pointing out that Mikey's case is that I am someone who makes false claims to be a lawyer and that his evidence for that appears to be that I refuse to claim that I am a lawyer. You couldn't make stuff like that up and long may it continue.

Interestingly, kempo also spent many a post trying to get me to say that I am lawyer and confirm which flavour. Grist also likes to call me a fake lawyer. So that is two known multis and Mike. Mmmm, I wonder…

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

Stalling for time? What am I waiting for?

Why on earth would I put documents up on here? I am not a performing seal and by suggesting that I do, you have got Mikey's sphincter twitching to the point where he is already making excuses to guard against the possibility of me doing so.

I can't resist pointing out that Mikey's case is that I am someone who makes false claims to be a lawyer and that his evidence for that appears to be that I refuse to claim that I am a lawyer. You couldn't make stuff like that up and long may it continue.

Interestingly, kempo also spent many a post trying to get me to say that I am lawyer and confirm which flavour. Grist also likes to call me a fake lawyer. So that is two known multis and Mike. Mmmm, I wonder…

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And you still don't answer
Wonder why?

Tic toc

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Originally Posted by Exiletyke

And you still don't answer
Wonder why?

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Don't answer what?

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

The one with Germany is much more significant

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Yes the comparison with Germany is interesting when looking at mortality rates.

German death rates are much lower but they have had a significant amount of cases. My first thought would be that our intensive care/amount of ventilators may be factor but from what I hear this hasn't turned out to be a huge problem.

Is it because Germany started lockdown slightly earlier than the UK? They closed schools even before their official lockdown. Saying that, Germany was hit hit by the virus before the UK.

Is it down to testing? This seems to be the reason that I would go with. More people were tested, more people realised they had it and therefore self isolated. Here people carried on, against advice in some cases, and spread the virus.

Are the stats relating to deaths correct? Will we only know for sure when we look at the excess deaths?

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

Don't answer what?

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This
When you qualify to become a lawyer you must surely receive a diploma/certificate /document of some sort [you know the one you place usually framed strategically in your office] so tell us all what it's called so as to avoid any confusion

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

I have to say that I am disappointed by your response, John. You took a bum point and either can’t see it or can’t back down.
The population density is exactly the figure that you should compare.

I have never been to Auckland and so have to be careful when commenting, but as NZ is a country with a low population density, I think it inevitable that the city will have far fewer high rise buildings than London. And that is precisely part of the point that I am making. High rise buildings necessarily have communal areas and lifts, which will provide a route via which the virus will have the opportunity to spread (just think entry keypads and lift buttons - and that’s only part of it). That’s why population density matters. Add to that, travel; as I have said, I have never been to NZ, but upon a quick Google, I see that Auckland is currently building a small underground rail system. I would imagine that they haven’t bothered until now because the population density made it neither necessary nor viable. Compare that to London where public transport is really the only viable way of moving around the city. Again, that provides spreading opportunities.

And on the question of travel, think Heathrow, which shifts about 80 million passengers per years compared to Auckland at 21 million. When dealing with an illness that is capable of having an exponential growth rate, that difference really matters. And Heathrow is just one of the airports serving London.

You could say the hand that this country was dealt called for a careful and vigorous response to the pandemic and you would be right, but a comparison with NZ is a joke. The one with Germany is much more significant

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Oh come on, you're the one who referred to the population density of a country which is 78% completely uninhabited (https://www.andrewdc.co.nz/2017/12/1...s-new-zealand/).

Of course I'm not claiming its like for like. Whatever you think of the metrics I am considering, are you really going to tell me that comparing population density is better?

Sorry to butt in chaps but I have a personal observation . Its sounding more than likely that the over 70s will be advised to keep in lockdown until ...god knows when. Being in this age group myself I find this rather ironic , seeing the burger and chips eating, smoking , younger people suffering with diabetes and clogged up arteries will be able to waddle along to the nearest fast food outlet . Not every one over 70 has serious health problems .