OT. Shamima Begum

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Originally Posted by mistaram

RA you baffle you write " I utterly despise what she has done and the organisation she has joined" But you are condemning every body who says she shouldn't return There was an online petition calling for her not to be allowed back within 24hours 665,000 had signed it Even allowing for the nutters that's a lot of people You need to join my wife she forgives anybody anything She's the original snowflake

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Believe me mista, I can be an unforgiving sod and I’m no ‘snowflake’.
The online petition is just populism in action for me. It’s just a knee jerk reaction from those who can’t or don’t want to think through the consequences.
My position is simple...I condemn both her actions and the organisation she joined but although I doubt anyone on here did something as foolish or objectionable at the age of fifteen I suspect there are many, including me, who wouldn’t want to be judged forever on their misguided teenage actions.
More importantly perhaps...we as a country go out of our way to develope relationships with other countries where villains, terrorists, thiefs and murderers are hunted down and returned to the UK to face trial. We can’t, imo, pick and choose just because it is currently popular to do so.
This teenage girl has behaved abominably in my opinion. I’m not being forgiving, I recognise that she needs to face the consequences but we as a country run the risk of becoming ever more isolated and alienated if we don’t accept our international responsibilities.

The worst thing I did when I was 15 was to start skiving school......just saying like

I think I shoplifted a packet of Twiglets from a Spar shop in Cirencester.

Simple answer, have a word with Mossad. Problem shortly solved.

Two can play her game

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Originally Posted by StensonRam

The worst thing I did when I was 15 was to start skiving school......just saying like

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Don't tell him that he's a teacher! ;)

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Believe me mista, I can be an unforgiving sod and I’m no ‘snowflake’.
The online petition is just populism in action for me. It’s just a knee jerk reaction from those who can’t or don’t want to think through the consequences.
My position is simple...I condemn both her actions and the organisation she joined but although I doubt anyone on here did something as foolish or objectionable at the age of fifteen I suspect there are many, including me, who wouldn’t want to be judged forever on their misguided teenage actions.
More importantly perhaps...we as a country go out of our way to develope relationships with other countries where villains, terrorists, thiefs and murderers are hunted down and returned to the UK to face trial. We can’t, imo, pick and choose just because it is currently popular to do so.
This teenage girl has behaved abominably in my opinion. I’m not being forgiving, I recognise that she needs to face the consequences but we as a country run the risk of becoming ever more isolated and alienated if we don’t accept our international responsibilities.

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RA I apologise i did go a bit ott I did some stupid things as a teenager I understand your point there She will come home when its all calmed down As Swales says we have to abide by international law and not make her stateless But she is very lucky she can come home and stand trial the people she supports have made sure that thousands will never get that choice If you knowingly live with and support their actions that makes you one of them in my eyes

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

we also have to acknowledge that terrorism is a product of people feeling alienated, dispossessed and disenfranchised.

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This part of we, ie me, doesn’t acknowledge that at all as far as the most urgent threat we currently have. Even most of our mainstream media now reluctantly accept that the issue is one of ‘way of life’.

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Originally Posted by mistaram

RA I apologise i did go a bit ott I did some stupid things as a teenager I understand your point there She will come when it's all calmed down and we've forgot about As Swales say we have to abuse by international law she can't be made stateless Suppose she's lucky she can come back and stand trial unlike the thousands who will never have that chance

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No apology necessary, mista. It’s an emotional subject...but not one that should be oversimplified imo.

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

This part of we, ie me, doesn’t acknowledge that at all as far as the most urgent threat we currently have. Even most of our mainstream media now reluctantly accept that the issue is one of ‘way of life’.

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Absolutely

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

This part of we, ie me, doesn’t acknowledge that at all as far as the most urgent threat we currently have. Even most of our mainstream media now reluctantly accept that the issue is one of ‘way of life’.

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Not entirely clear what you’re suggesting AF.

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

This part of we, ie me, doesn’t acknowledge that at all as far as the most urgent threat we currently have. Even most of our mainstream media now reluctantly accept that the issue is one of ‘way of life’.

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Not entirely clear what you’re suggesting AF.