Barnsley football club

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

I started watching the club early to mid 60s when the club was anchored in the 4th Division.
Alan Clarke appointed manager many years later in 1978.

Now then - it’s been claimed on this thread …. Clarke said - in 2 years this club will be in the second division “I don’t know where the money came from but new players arrived and Alan (Clarke) got us into the second division.

….. ‘I don’t know where the money came from’ !!!

Could I suggest that the money was always there - it was a running joke at the time that the money was there but the owners weren’t going to spend owt - and it was Alan Clarke that insisted that the purse had to be opened or else he wasn’t coming to Barnsley.
Alan Clarke came to Barnsley because he knew there was money there.

In conclusion - the club run as little more than a pub team from the 1960s to 1978.
During that time IMMEASURABLE DAMAGE was done to the fan base at Barnsley Football Club.

That damage is still being felt to this day as many people I know continue to follow Leeds and the Sheffield clubs because their father or grandfather switched from supporting Barnsley and started watching one of those clubs.
Please don’t tell me this didn’t happen - because I was there.
Did anyone else count the buses leaving Hough Lane car park and going to Elland Road.

1960s to 1978 was probably the longest period of inactivity in Barnsley Football Clubs history.
A dark dark time in the history of the club.
Complaining about this consortium compared to the dark age of the club is like complaining about having an automatic washing machine when we used to have a peggy tub.
It’s beyond ridiculous.

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Once again you are inventing your little stories by saying Alan Clarke knew there was money in the club,how the hell could you know that? Stop and think that Alan Clarke was still a big name in football and that alone was big enough to attract investment from the directors who joined the club at the same time.Go on now tell me that Alan Clarke told you about it.Nudger,we would get along a lot better if you stopped making things up.I was at the club at the time and you were not but even I didn’t know everything that was going on at the time so how the hell can you know what went off,you were not at the club.You could have a new career writing about a fictional football club,you could be on a winner there and invest some money into Barnsley Football Club.Please save me a first edition.

It sure was a coup wasn't it by bringing in somebody with the status of Allan Clarke in 1978.
He was well known in football and respected, and he was looking to hang up the boots and get into management rather than playing, within then next few years. Look at his friendship with Norman Hunter for a start, I bet that was a huge reason for Norman joining us when he left Bristol City a year later.
I do wonder to this day what we would have done as a team in the early 80s had Allan stayed on as manager, but what he missed out on, Norman gained of course. :)
Ive no idea whether there were arguments about money in those days, but I bet at the time and by our standards then, that Clarkie was a really bold expensive signing by us.

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Originally Posted by Fileytyke

Once again you are inventing your little stories by saying Alan Clarke knew there was money in the club,how the hell could you know that? Stop and think that Alan Clarke was still a big name in football and that alone was big enough to attract investment from the directors who joined the club at the same time.Go on now tell me that Alan Clarke told you about it.Nudger,we would get along a lot better if you stopped making things up.I was at the club at the time and you were not but even I didn’t know everything that was going on at the time so how the hell can you know what went off,you were not at the club.You could have a new career writing about a fictional football club,you could be on a winner there and invest some money into Barnsley Football Club.Please save me a first edition.

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I, like all the supporters back then could only witness what was happening on the field.
So no, I don’t know what was happening with the directors at the club in those days.
And clearly neither do you.

But then again I’m not the one saying it was all a garden of roses back then - because those that were watching matches against clubs like Newport County knew that the supporters and everyone surrounding the club were being duped.

I do know that money suddenly appeared out of thin air with the appointment of Clarke.
Which was evidence - if evidence was needed - that money was always there - it just wasn’t being spent on the club.
But opening the purse strings and the appointment of someone like Clarke was far too late - 15+ years of being no more than a pub team had already severely damaged the club.

Clarke appointed 1978.
Then came the miners strike 1984.
So the club had 6 relatively good years of building the fan base back up.
Then during and after the strike lost thousands of fans again as a result of the poor attitude of the club towards striking miners.
Maintaining high admittance fees when they knew many people in the town had no money.
Many miners refusing to support the club after the strike.

Then followed a very brief spell in the sun under the stewardship of John Dennis.
Leaving us much improved facilities.
Unfortunately at the end JD overreached putting the club into administration at the risk of folding.

Followed by the 15 doldrum years of the Patrick Cryne era when nothing was built on or off the field.
In saying that we will always be grateful to Patrick for saving the club and putting the ground into dual ownership.

So then - this present consortium.
They have a lot of hard work in front of them to build the fan base up to what I believe it can be.
But looking at the club’s history during my lifetime they haven’t got much to beat.

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

I, like all the supporters back then could only witness what was happening on the field.
So no, I don’t know what was happening with the directors at the club in those days.
And clearly neither do you.

But then again I’m not the one saying it was all a garden of roses back then - because those that were watching matches against clubs like Newport County knew that the supporters and everyone surrounding the club were being duped.

I do know that money suddenly appeared out of thin air with the appointment of Clarke.
Which was evidence - if evidence was needed - that money was always there - it just wasn’t being spent on the club.
But opening the purse strings and the appointment of someone like Clarke was far too late - 15+ years of being no more than a pub team had already severely damaged the club.

Clarke appointed 1978.
Then came the miners strike 1984.
So the club had 6 relatively good years of building the fan base back up.
Then during and after the strike lost thousands of fans again as a result of the poor attitude of the club towards striking miners.
Maintaining high admittance fees when they knew many people in the town had no money.
Many miners refusing to support the club after the strike.

Then followed a very brief spell in the sun under the stewardship of John Dennis.
Leaving us much improved facilities.
Unfortunately at the end JD overreached putting the club into administration at the risk of folding.

Followed by the 15 doldrum years of the Patrick Cryne era when nothing was built on or off the field.
In saying that we will always be grateful to Patrick for saving the club and putting the ground into dual ownership.

So then - this present consortium.
They have a lot of hard work in front of them to build the fan base up to what I believe it can be.
But looking at the club’s history during my lifetime they haven’t got much to beat.

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I just want to pick you up on the 15 year doldrum years under Patrick you mention, I think you have a short memory , whilst it wasn"t all a bed of roses there were some good times or do you not count the trips to Wembley , the lifting of the JP trophy as good times , well I certainly enjoyed them & I have watched the reds a lot longer than you Nudger & these times register with me as special moments not moments of doldrums .

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Originally Posted by Shadrack the Red

I just want to pick you up on the 15 year doldrum years under Patrick you mention, I think you have a short memory , whilst it wasn"t all a bed of roses there were some good times or do you not count the trips to Wembley , the lifting of the JP trophy as good times , well I certainly enjoyed them & I have watched the reds a lot longer than you Nudger & these times register with me as special moments not moments of doldrums .

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Yes of course there were special moments - but I’m talking about the general trajectory.
For example - we know John Dennis failed at the end - but under his stewardship the club for a number of years was building a team and also building off the field.

Under Patrick - we knew that after every peak there was going to be a dip.
We seem to hover above the Championship relegation zone season after season.
And nothing built off the field either.

Obviously football business had changed by the time Patrick had got hold of the club.
Patrick wasn’t wealthy enough to compete - and to his credit he didn’t put the club into a mountain of debt.
We are starting to see the results of clubs trying to out do each other over spending.
Thankfully we ain’t in those shoes.
And that’s down to Patrick and the current owners.

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

I, like all the supporters back then could only witness what was happening on the field.
So no, I don’t know what was happening with the directors at the club in those days.
And clearly neither do you.

But then again I’m not the one saying it was all a garden of roses back then - because those that were watching matches against clubs like Newport County knew that the supporters and everyone surrounding the club were being duped.

I do know that money suddenly appeared out of thin air with the appointment of Clarke.
Which was evidence - if evidence was needed - that money was always there - it just wasn’t being spent on the club.
But opening the purse strings and the appointment of someone like Clarke was far too late - 15+ years of being no more than a pub team had already severely damaged the club.

Clarke appointed 1978.
Then came the miners strike 1984.
So the club had 6 relatively good years of building the fan base back up.
Then during and after the strike lost thousands of fans again as a result of the poor attitude of the club towards striking miners.
Maintaining high admittance fees when they knew many people in the town had no money.
Many miners refusing to support the club after the strike.

Then followed a very brief spell in the sun under the stewardship of John Dennis.
Leaving us much improved facilities.
Unfortunately at the end JD overreached putting the club into administration at the risk of folding.

Followed by the 15 doldrum years of the Patrick Cryne era when nothing was built on or off the field.
In saying that we will always be grateful to Patrick for saving the club and putting the ground into dual ownership.

So then - this present consortium.
They have a lot of hard work in front of them to build the fan base up to what I believe it can be.
But looking at the club’s history during my lifetime they haven’t got much to beat.

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If you insist on keep telling your lies and fairy tales about the club I loved for over 75 years then carry on.I have told you time and time again that to keep the club going the directors had to keep injecting their money.These where ordinary Barnsley people not millionaires who had a limited amount to invest in the club who saved the club on many occasions and along comes you saying they “Bled the club dry”I knew some of these people and they were the salt of the earth and I will not stand by and let you more or less call the criminals.

With crowds of between 3000 and 4000 per home match how the hell could there have been a pile of money in the club before Alan Clarke became manager.There never was any piles of money in the club,history shows they have always had to sell players to keep the club going.Barnsley have spent more seasons in the second year of the football league than any other English league club against all the odds.In other words they were always batting above their station.With the income they got from gate receipts they should never have been able to set such a outstanding record.Their was never a fairy godmother who kept dropping piles of money there was only the good Barnsley men on the board who kept injecting their own money to keep our club going and it hurts me to see idiots like you slagging them off and saying They bled the club dry.You should be thanking them for keeping our club going.
As you know I am now in my 80s,disabled through strokes and other medical problems that old men get and the last thing I want is to be upset even more by you,your lies and accusations of the good people I knew and worked with and no longer with us.You carry on telling your lies and fairy tales and upset other people on here because I have finished,I can’t afford to endanger my health anymore by reading your rubbish and accusations.One day I hope you realise how much hurt you have caused people by your writings.I wish all my friends on here a long and happy lives especially Roma and Animal whose class Nudger you will never reach.

Filey - don’t you think I know people your age and older ???
But these fellas don’t go around calling other people IDIOTS (and worse).

If you post something that I perceive to be wrong then I’ll answer it.
If you are capable of writing all the lengthy stuff that you write - then I know people far worse off than you.
Including it seems one or two on here that I try to steer clear of.
So as much as you try - you arn’t going to get the sympathy vote from me.
You should take that as a compliment.

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

Filey - don’t you think I know people your age and older ???
But these fellas don’t go around calling other people IDIOTS (and worse).

If you post something that I perceive to be wrong then I’ll answer it.
If you are capable of writing all the lengthy stuff that you write - then I know people far worse off than you.
Including it seems one or two on here that I try to steer clear of.
So as much as you try - you arn’t going to get the sympathy vote from me.
You should take that as a compliment.

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I have never in my life asked for sympathy and if I did you would be the last person I would ask.
You have upset me and other people on here with your writings so if you want you can carry on and say you have beaten me through your untruths.

[QUOTE=Fileytyke;39873306]I have never in my life asked for sympathy and if I did you would be the last person I would ask.
You have upset me and other people on here with your writings so if you want you can carry on and say you have beaten me through your untruths.[

Hahaha. Old men and their ive been a Red longer than thee. So shut thi gob.

TOP TRUMPS.

No were not 976 so haven't been a red as long as some.... but ive been a red for 100% of the life ive had.
I dont agree with nudge but he also is a red. About time some stopped being over the top BULLYS.