FIFA World Cup 2026

Our game was incredibly boring. If nothing else comes of this current turgid England setup, I hope it at least get recognised that Southgate got us over-achieving. But I doubt it, because our players are always overhyped.
One thing we really miss, and I don't see us developing it, is any coherence. When Spain play, all their players know where each other is, where they're going to run, who's covering them... we just look like a bunch of overrated individuals. so, SLOW.

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Originally Posted by Ramshank72

Our game was incredibly boring. If nothing else comes of this current turgid England setup, I hope it at least get recognised that Southgate got us over-achieving. But I doubt it, because our players are always overhyped.
One thing we really miss, and I don't see us developing it, is any coherence. When Spain play, all their players know where each other is, where they're going to run, who's covering them... we just look like a bunch of overrated individuals. so, SLOW.

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I think that the slowness is TT's instructions as the likes of Gordon, Palmer, Rogers and Foden are not slow when they play for their clubs

I also had the misfortune to watch both games, RP has summed it up perfectly whilst Andy's use of the word turgid is actually an understatement! Absolute shiitte nearly gets there. Tbh I can't recall any of England's matches under TT as being remotely worth the time to watch. Origami is more entertaining.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

I didn?t watch any of the games mentioned but, sadly, I am beginning to wonder if we should even bother going given the current situation. With a host who insults so many of the participants and stadia that seem increasingly likely to be the target of attacks, what?s the point?

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I think you're letting your deeply held political/world views get to you a bit rA, since you first started expressing doubts about visiting (supported by others here) I've visited USA twice, yes Southern states, yes surrounded by overt or covert MAGAs / Rednecks, yes to 'events' (OK not world cup level) and what lovely folk they are. The only thing stopping me/us spending more time there is the tipping culture, which I just can't get over. We are visiting twice next year, and by the way there were no border checks for social media transgressions either. Like London, which has been the subject of discussion on here in the past, and where coincidentally a significant minority despise the leader, there are good bits and bad bits, we just stick to the good bits and have a ball. Go and enjoy it, especially as you have folk there

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I think you're letting your deeply held political/world views get to you a bit rA, since you first started expressing doubts about visiting (supported by others here) I've visited USA twice, yes Southern states, yes surrounded by overt or covert MAGAs / Rednecks, yes to 'events' (OK not world cup level) and what lovely folk they are. The only thing stopping me/us spending more time there is the tipping culture, which I just can't get over. We are visiting twice next year, and by the way there were no border checks for social media transgressions either. Like London, which has been the subject of discussion on here in the past, and where coincidentally a significant minority despise the leader, there are good bits and bad bits, we just stick to the good bits and have a ball. Go and enjoy it, especially as you have folk there

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Again you misconstrue, AF. Whether deliberately or not I honestly don?t know.

I love the place. Think it?s a great country and have probably visited fifteen times, usually for 3-4 weeks - over the last 18 years, not always just to relatives, but to a variety of locations, from New England to California and Arizona to Florida.
Love the landscapes, usually love the people, although some of the Floridians I found ?bonkers?, love much of the lifestyle and take little notice of what you term the ?tipping culture?.

Having said that, we?re not going this year, but it?s not about me - or you. The question may be whether the Trump administration actually deserves to host such a celebration of football when he has acted so insultingly to so many participants and whether it will be a safe destination for, potentially, tens of thousands of fans. I also wonder if the threat to remove such a tournament from the U.S. could help bring such a narcissist to what little remains of his senses.

In a world where a Radio 2 DJ loses his job (and reputation) because of an historical ***ual abuse allegation it seems slightly perverse to me that we allow the WC to be hosted by a POTUS who has actually been convicted of ***ual abuse, suspected of much worse and shows apparent total disregard for international law.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Again you misconstrue, AF. Whether deliberately or not I honestly don?t know.

I love the place. Think it?s a great country and have probably visited fifteen times, usually for 3-4 weeks - over the last 18 years, not always just to relatives, but to a variety of locations, from New England to California and Arizona to Florida.
Love the landscapes, usually love the people, although some of the Floridians I found ?bonkers?, love much of the lifestyle and take little notice of what you term the ?tipping culture?.

Having said that, we?re not going this year, but it?s not about me - or you. The question may be whether the Trump administration actually deserves to host such a celebration of football when he has acted so insultingly to so many participants and whether it will be a safe destination for, potentially, tens of thousands of fans. I also wonder if the threat to remove such a tournament from the U.S. could help bring such a narcissist to what little remains of his senses.

In a world where a Radio 2 DJ loses his job (and reputation) because of an historical ***ual abuse allegation it seems slightly perverse to me that we allow the WC to be hosted by a POTUS who has actually been convicted of ***ual abuse, suspected of much worse and shows apparent total disregard for international law.

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I personally believe that sport should not be used as a political weapon - its better than that. I respect your view whilst noting that you seek to politicise anything remotely related to those politicians you dislike.

Sadly Trump himself sought to associate himself with the World Cup with his ridiculous inclusion in the draw and the peace prize, but essentially the World Cup should be used to bring the world together - not to create more resentment. If Qatar as a host location was not banned for its appalling record on human rights and modern slavery.... why USA?

Boycotting it should be a personal decision - if you dont want to go due to your deeply held anti Trump feelings, thats fine, but dont try to impose your own invective on others. Thats a trifle totalitarian for a liberal!

As for your last paragraph, I assume this was another one of your jokes. Bob Mills (who I assume you allude to) is innocent until proved guilty, as is Trump on most of the allegations. I know not enought of either case to form a judgement and I doubt you do either. If you had said that these allegations were such as to call for the impeachment of Trump (and I wouldnt altogether disagree with that) then fine - that equates to loss of job, but to say Bob Mills cant host the world cup in his back garden is a bit of a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

I personally believe that sport should not be used as a political weapon - its better than that. I respect your view whilst noting that you seek to politicise anything remotely related to those politicians you dislike.

Sadly Trump himself sought to associate himself with the World Cup with his ridiculous inclusion in the draw and the peace prize, but essentially the World Cup should be used to bring the world together - not to create more resentment. If Qatar as a host location was not banned for its appalling record on human rights and modern slavery.... why USA?

Boycotting it should be a personal decision - if you dont want to go due to your deeply held anti Trump feelings, thats fine, but dont try to impose your own invective on others. Thats a trifle totalitarian for a liberal!

As for your last paragraph, I assume this was another one of your jokes. Bob Mills (who I assume you allude to) is innocent until proved guilty, as is Trump on most of the allegations. I know not enought of either case to form a judgement and I doubt you do either. If you had said that these allegations were such as to call for the impeachment of Trump (and I wouldnt altogether disagree with that) then fine - that equates to loss of job, but to say Bob Mills cant host the world cup in his back garden is a bit of a stretch.

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1. I think both the cricket and rugby boycotts of long ago and the role they played in ending apartheid in South Africa would suggest otherwise. I’m struggling to understand how I can ‘politicise’ politicians I dislike. They’re politicians and, by definition, are therefore already politicised.

2. Agree with the first bit and I also opposed Qatar being chosen however I think it was chosen 14 years before the event. Trump’s behaviour and the worldwide chaos and suffering his actions are causing is happening now.

3. Silly point. I’m questioning whether the U.S. under a Trump administration remains an appropriate venue, not trying to stop people going or ‘impose’ my view. It’s an opinion, a point of view…nothing more. Thought that’s what forums are for.

4. No, not a joke and its Scott Mills btw. You’re right, I’ve absolutely no idea about his alleged wrong doing, know nothing about the bloke and rarely listen to R2. If he’s done wrong he deserves what’s coming, it was just an observation about the double standards we operate under. A Radio 2 employee, rightly or wrongly, gets sacked for an alleged, but currently unproven, *** crime. Trump in comparison is lauded by FIFA when he has actually been found guilty of a *** crime and is linked with many others. No idea what your closing comment means.

GP please stop the endless trying to wind rA up by purposely misunderstanding what he has posted. It is incredibly childish.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Again you misconstrue, AF. Whether deliberately or not I honestly don?t know.

I love the place. Think it?s a great country and have probably visited fifteen times, usually for 3-4 weeks - over the last 18 years, not always just to relatives, but to a variety of locations, from New England to California and Arizona to Florida.
Love the landscapes, usually love the people, although some of the Floridians I found ?bonkers?, love much of the lifestyle and take little notice of what you term the ?tipping culture?.

Having said that, we?re not going this year, but it?s not about me - or you. The question may be whether the Trump administration actually deserves to host such a celebration of football when he has acted so insultingly to so many participants and whether it will be a safe destination for, potentially, tens of thousands of fans. I also wonder if the threat to remove such a tournament from the U.S. could help bring such a narcissist to what little remains of his senses.

In a world where a Radio 2 DJ loses his job (and reputation) because of an historical ***ual abuse allegation it seems slightly perverse to me that we allow the WC to be hosted by a POTUS who has actually been convicted of ***ual abuse, suspected of much worse and shows apparent total disregard for international law.

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I did misconstrue your somewhat ambiguous comment 'I'm beginning to wonder if we should even bother going' as referring to you personally rather than the 1england Mens Football Team. As for your various suggestions, you are in a dream world I'm afraid, and I doubt that you and the other indignant ones on here and elsewhere have enough courage in your convictions not to watch any USA-hosted games.

Your last paragraph is whataboutery

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I did misconstrue your somewhat ambiguous comment 'I'm beginning to wonder if we should even bother going' as referring to you personally rather than the 1england Mens Football Team. As for your various suggestions, you are in a dream world I'm afraid, and I doubt that you and the other indignant ones on here and elsewhere have enough courage in your convictions not to watch any USA-hosted games.

Your last paragraph is whataboutery

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Fair enough.

Hardly a ‘dream world’. I think you’re probably right, it will go ahead - providing WW3 hasn’t actually been started - and I probably will watch U.S. hosted games but it does seem to be one rule for some (Russia) and another for Mr. Trump.

Whataboutery? Probably guilty as charged, but if you don’t recognise the double standards referred to what does that make you guilty of….Headinthesandery perhaps?