[QUOTE=MadAmster;39824195]Tricky, I've seen hop famers and fruit and vegetable farmers interviewed because they were having to destroy part of their crops as they couldn't harvest them all due to not being able to get enough pickers in.
To a man they said they had had some English people come in and none of them lasted 2 days. Not enough wanting the job in the first place and too much like hard work for those that did give it a go.
Maddy you make some valid points, some of which I agree with, some I don't.Quote:
How you can say the EU caused non of this is baffling.
1. FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT/
2. FLOODING THE LABOUR MARKET/
3. OVERLOADING SERVICES/
4. EU LAWS- MUST PAY THEM THE SAME BENEFITS ETC. [UNQUOTE]
1. Worked both ways. Look at how many Brits are now complaining that Brexit restricting their movements to the EU was NOT what they voted for.
2. Did they flood the labour market or did we only see EU citizens coming in to do the jobs UK citizens can't/won't? I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Highly skilled jobs, NHS jobs, jobs where the UK has insufficient qualified indigenous people to fill the vacancies. Ever since its inception the NHS has relied on immigrant doctors/nurses/porters etc. Then there's the menial, hard working jobs like the crop pickers and others which the indigenous people won't do and stop inside 2 days when they do have a go. At least those foreigners are putting food on the UK tables. There is also a 3rd issue neither of us has covered thus far. Namely, unscrupulous bosses. There are a lot of those about. There are those who only just manage to stick to the rules by paying immigrant workers the minimum they can get away with and use them to replace higher paid UK citizens. That's not the EU's fault. Then there's the ones who employ immigrants, both legal and illegal and also house them in very overcrowded buildings, charging them a King's ransom for the privilege. That's not the EU's fault either.
3. EU citizens pay more into UK services than they take out so are they really responsible for overloading the system? I don't believe they are.
4. It works both ways though. UK citizens had the self same benefits when they moved to work in the EU and I'm still benefitting from that. Relatively speaking there are, as a percentage, less EU citizens (3.5M - EU population 446M) in the UK than the other way round (1.2M - UK population around 65M).
1. Who is moaning/ how many/ when and where? Is it greater than 17.5 million?
2. Again, you evaded what I am saying-
WAGES- These jobs are menial and graft, I get that. But land owners/supermarkets want it done for next to nothing.
Now foreign labour has worked for a while, but the longer the EU clock ticks, the less attractive it is as the standard of living gap closes.
It is exactly what I am saying with the lorry drivers, if you watched me video. Are you aware that there 80 000 fully licensed drivers in the UK now, who have refused to work in the job for the pay and conditions offered?
Try listening to the people it involves, not you and I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiPh5TLYWMI
All this because agencies and big corporates have raped the cheap EU labour on offer FACT!
4. Lets get your figures correct shall we, they look dodgy to me. I have already said that there are 6M Europeans who have applied for permenant residency, never mind the illegals bouncing around.
Of those 6M, 900 000 are Romanian. You know that country where the BBC in 2014 claimed, 50 000 Romanians AND BULGARIANS were all that will come.
As for Brits abroad. How many are retirees(like yourself), spending their pensions there and not taking up resources?
I can't see many of those 900 000 coming here for a quiet life in Clacton.
