Allardyce an objective viewpoint

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Originally Posted by only1salty

Give him time (3 seasons not enough?)

Plenty of injuries (as do all football clubs)

Got us out of the championship (so did Pardew and Redknapp. With the squad we had plenty of managers could have)

need time to gel (new excuse. buy a load of players and moan they need time)

need time to adjust to our new attacking style (I must have missed this. The best we have played this season was the first game and we lost. Palace were so bad it was untrue which covered up some large cracks and we gave up against Southampton in a manner I haven't seen since Pardew lost the dressing room and we were hammered by Reading and Bolton)



Can't bothered to list any more of the excuses I have heard for prolonging something that is well over a year overdue... a new manager at our club

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Need time to gel.

Well,It didn`t take Southampton long.

TBH,If Sam was anywhere else,(apart from maybe the promoted teams),he would have been sacked 3 or 4 times

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Originally Posted by Whiskyman

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Originally Posted by Whiskyman

Year on year progress is a minimum requirement imo.

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That last sentence is the one. Year on year progress. There will be dips but that's what we need to look at.

However, that's also what every other team is looking at too.

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You're right. But not every other club pays their manager, allegedly, the 13th highest salary in the world.

I run a business and if I pay top dollar for a particular manager I expect top performance. The old saying pay peanuts, get monkeys works the other way round too.

We have resourced this manager well. And oddly enough, imo, he achieved more when he was under resourced in his first two seasons.

Since he has been given a decent "war chest" he has by and large squandered it. Carroll, Jarvis, Maiga represent around 30 million down the toilet. And that's just the transfer fee and takes no account of s

WHU. I don't necessarily agree with your point of view but I understand why you have it and I respect that.

Why can you not respect other people's points of view ? We ALL support the club. We all have differing opinions but that's what makes the forum work.

It's not fair to criticise others points of view by slagging them off. By all means put your points across but don't slay other West Ham fans for having different views.

I thought the OP was hardly aggressive.

I dont think its so much the OPS point of view, although he doesnt agree with it, its more the past and the way in which he has tried to put them across. Dont just look at this thread look at others.

This one isnt so bad, but in past posts the OP has come across as condescending which in itself says to a degree that his own opinion is right.
It has stuck.

There are optimists pessimists and realists, all are right at some time.

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Originally Posted by jon15u

I dont think its so much the OPS point of view, although he doesnt agree with it, its more the past and the way in which he has tried to put them across. Dont just look at this thread look at others.

This one isnt so bad, but in past posts the OP has come across as condescending which in itself says to a degree that his own opinion is right.
It has stuck.

There are optimists pessimists and realists, all are right at some time.

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Agree, its not what ammeread said but they way that he said it, plus previous form has gone against him.

Don't go to games, but from what I can gather the fans haven't really turned on BFS. Granted they have never got behind him on mass (and nor should they in my opinion) but has they been much Sam out stuff.

Any anti Sam fan really wants to be proved wrong I guess. Perhaps I shouldn't speak for others (something ammeread is keen to do), but I certainly do. I miss going to games, miss the excitement of a

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Originally Posted by jon15u

I dont think its so much the OPS point of view, although he doesnt agree with it, its more the past and the way in which he has tried to put them across. Dont just look at this thread look at others.

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I would agree with that, he's not done himself any favours by basically spending Saturday being rude to people. He was rubbing people up the wrong way during the weekend by pouring scorn on everyone's opinions then suddenly expects to be taken seriously and have his own points debated.

That's why I posters have reacted aggressively to him on this thread.

[quote="ammeread"]Sam Allardyce the most hated man in East London some of it he's brought upon himself admittedly, some of it I believe is unwarranted.

Allardyce was brought to this club during a period of turmoil some of the worst times in our clubs history . He was asked to steady the ship. He steadied the ship. He was asked to get us promoted within two seasons . He got us promoted in one. He was asked to keep us up. He kept us up. He was asked to keep us up again he kept us up again.

He has done everything he was employed to do. He has done everything the board asked of him. Yes he has upset people along the way.He's made stupid and disrespectful comments in some people's eyes .He has played mainly boring football,he plays the percentages far too much and he's generally void of a plan B.

On the other hand he has been largely forced into some decisions by injuries and the players he has had at his disposal.

So here we are today . Now is the time for

[quote="WHU"]Sam Allardyce the most hated man in East London some of it he's brought upon himself admittedly, some of it I believe is unwarranted.

Allardyce was brought to this club during a period of turmoil some of the worst times in our clubs history . He was asked to steady the ship. He steadied the ship. He was asked to get us promoted within two seasons . He got us promoted in one. He was asked to keep us up. He kept us up. He was asked to keep us up again he kept us up again.

He has done everything he was employed to do. He has done everything the board asked of him. Yes he has upset people along the way.He's made stupid and disrespectful comments in some people's eyes .He has played mainly boring football,he plays the percentages f

Got to give it to Thumbs, he knows how to get a response. ,

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Originally Posted by Whiskyman

Year on year progress is a minimum requirement imo.

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That last sentence is the one. Year on year progress. There will be dips but that's what we need to look at.

However, that's also what every other team is looking at too.

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You're right. But not every other club pays their manager, allegedly, the 13th highest salary in the world.

I run a business and if I pay top dollar for a particular manager I expect top performance. The old saying pay peanuts, get monkeys works the other way round too.

We have resourced this manager well. And oddly enough, imo, he achieved more when he was under resourced in his first two seasons.

Since he has been given a decent "war chest" he has by and large squandered it. Carroll, Jarvis, Maiga represent around 30 million down the toilet. And that's j